Traders are starting to price in the possibility that the U.S. economy might fall into a recession - and one Wall Street veteran says that might actually be the Trump administration's plan.
Is Trump trying to engineer a recession? If so, here's a look at the logic. https://t.co/ZChMmVqT1E
" MarketWatch (@MarketWatch) March 5, 2025
"and one Wall Street veteran says that might actually be the Trump administration's plan"
He's not the only one.
Here's what Deutsche Bank, Trump's Russian money launderer, has to say:
"The potential loss of the dollar's safe-haven status: We do not write this lightly. We highlight a few developments since the start of the year providing tentative signs in this direction. - George Concalves, Global Head of FX, DB
www.zerohedge.com
El Rey Dotardo II will get his recession in about six months. As far as 'engineering' the matter, it's like engineering a bar fight. In the end, it's a mess, lots of people are hurt, and no one wants to go back to that bar. The problems with the Dotard's strategy include (1) US consumers and businesses will no longer trust this maniac, so spending will remain very low for an extended period, (2) no spending means no new jobs, which means many of the unemployed will be on the dole longer than normal, and once they run out of state benefits, spending will fall more and hardship and pain will grow, (3) our erstwhile foreign trading partners will avoid the US like they would a pile of dog droppings on the sidewalk, meaning less demand for any US products, from software to winter wheat, and (4) interest rates will certainly fall, as a function of lack of demand for capital. No one building or buying homes, no one buying a Maria Bartiromo model Dodge Ram, no one buying McDonald's value meal. Just as a train wreck involves an engineer, the US economy will wreck soon enough, thanks to the engineer clowns now at the helm...All of that is a small price to pay to save Donald Trump millions on his business loans.
#5 | Posted by catdog
President Trump will personally benefit from the Fed rate cut he pushed
The recent Federal Reserve interest rate cut has clear political benefits for President Trump, but it appears the cut will be doubly beneficial to him, as he also now stands to save millions in loan payments in coming years as a result of the rate cut.
www.citizensforethics.org August 2, 2019
@#11 ...n The fear has moved from recession to a full on depression. ...
Tariff War Risks Sinking World Into New Great Depression, International Chamber of Commerce Warns
www.wsj.com
While I am not there yet, I do have questions about how Pres Trump seems to be handling the economy.
My first question would be, does he have a clue about what he is doing?
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Is Trump Trying to Engineer a Recession?
Traders are starting to price in the possibility that the U.S. economy might fall into a recession - and one Wall Street veteran says that might actually be the Trump administration's plan.
Yes, he does. If recession is likely / has to happen "on your watch" (which seems more likely now) - then having recession as early as possible in your term is preferable, and may even be beneficial:
1. He could (and would) blame Biden (TFG) for the "horrible economy" and will claim that he "fixed it" when economy recovers.
2. Recessions come and go, inflations accumulate. Recessions are generally disinflationary, which could help his "inflation fighter" image.
3. Recent recessions have been short in duration, due to either very generous "stimulus" packages and/or The Fed rapidly lowering interest rates to stimulate business and consumer borrowing and depress savings rates, which in theory should encourage and lead to higher spending, helping the economy recover quickly, but in current environment of Trump's "unpredictability" and consequent general business "uncertainty" the Fed may have a dilemma of lowering Fed rates quickly and risking another bout of higher inflation, which has picked up in recent months. But then he could / would blame the Fed for it.
4. He wants to bring down the USD versus other currencies which [he hopes] could boost exports and reduce borrowing costs and so-called "trade deficit" - there is even talk about "Mar-a-Lago Accord" promoted by Bessent (an obvious copycat attempt of Reagan's 1985 "Plaza Accord" / 1987 "Louvre Accord," with a 'tariff twist' and personal side-benefit of 'Mar-a-Lago' enshrined in economic history) though I doubt it would be successful.
More likely it would backfire and be harmful, like tariffs and bullying of US trading partners / allies, especially on issues that have nothing to do with balance of trade, making the pretext of "trade deficits" obviously false:
www.forbes.com - Why Trump's 'Mar-A-Lago Accord' Would Financially Matter To You - 2025-02-23
www.morningstar.com - Wall Street can't stop talking about the 'Mar-a-Lago Accord.' Here's how the currency deal would work - 2025-03-03
en.wikipedia.org - Plaza Accord
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#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-07 11:24 AM
Any gain there is more than undone, just with the on-paper math, simply by factoring in the tariffs.
Ah, that "most beautiful word - tariff" ... another populist idea Trump stole from Democrats, who have been champions of tariffs as protectionist measure on behalf of unions... not that it actually worked to protect the organized American Labor (unions now are at ~10% total, ~6% private labor force), only making it more expensive and "pricing [some] US goods out of the global and domestic markets."
Trump's guru / influencer on tariffs is lifelong Democrat Prof. Peter Navarro.
At least, UAW bosses, as usual, approve of [Trump's] tariffs: "Tariffs are a powerful tool in the toolbox for undoing the injustice of anti-worker trade deals... [UAW] is in active negotiations with the Trump Administration about their plans to end the free trade disaster ... and looks forward to working with the White House to shape the auto tariffs in April to benefit the working class."
And tariffs don't solve the non-issue / non-problem of "national trade deficits" - just create disruptions and big "uncertainty" headaches for supply chain managers.
In a capitalist country / society, national "trade deficit" (bilateral or total) is irrelevant and is just an interesting statistic having no significant economic value (other than possibly tracking supply chains and bottlenecks), except in Trump's warped brain. Countries have very little direct trade between themselves - companies usually import and export goods, depending on supply and demand. For example, if you buy a Rolls-Royce for yourselves and Bentley or Mercedes for your mistress, does that mean the US now has a "trade deficit" with Germany, and "Germany" now has to buy equivalent $$ amount in goods from the US?
What's more, trade deficits not only do not lead to inflation, they help maintain USD "reserve currency" status and may help finance the US gov't debt, as China, Japan and many other countries have been doing until recently.
The US has a heavy equipment and service "trade surplus" with the "rest of the world" including China. Trade "deficit" is often a sign of strong economy and provide millions of retail and wholesale trade-related jobs, including in manufacturing.
Last time the US had "national trade surplus" was in 1970s - those were the "good times," right? "Malaise," stagflation...
www.cnbc.com - Stagflation fears bubble up as Trump tariffs take effect and the economy slows - 2025-03-04
scholar.harvard.edu - Truth About Trade Deficits / "Fake Problem" - [PDF, 3 pg] - October 7, 2018
www.cato.org - Ignore the Politicians: Trade Deficits Don't Really Matter - Aug 29, 2024
"This is a fallacious claim because trade deficits don't really matter - not between countries and not between you and your local grocery store."
apnews.com - How Trump justifies his tariffs " from budget balancing to protecting 'the soul' of America - AP, 2025-03-06
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drudge.com :
"... We too often talk about trade while using the vocabulary of war. In war, for one side to win, the other must lose. But commerce is not warfare. Trade is an economic alliance that benefits both countries. There are no losers, only winners. And trade helps strengthen the free world."
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#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-07 05:34 PM
Connecting some dots here. Tell me if I'm connecting them good!
Trump is following a policy that, if it achieves the stated goal, will bring about malaise and stagflation.
With economic and political caveats re tenuosly connecting "stable genius" Trump to word "policy" instead of to word "tool" and assuming he is "successful" in using it/them to logical conclusion, then you're absolutely "connecting them good!"
Read the AP article in my post to see a perfect example of Maslow's Law [of instruments]: "When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
For expanded explanation of the "tool" see drudge.com
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