Homicides in Big Cities kept Declining in Q1 of 2025, stats show

Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than U.S.-born Americans, studies find (2024)
www.npr.org

... The murder of Laken Riley took center stage during Thursday night's State of the Union address. Riley was a 22-year-old student who was killed last month at the University of Georgia. The suspect in her murder is a Venezuelan migrant whom officials say was illegally in the U.S.

During the Republican rebuttal, Riley's murder was brought up by Alabama Sen. Katie Britt. "She was brutally murdered by one of the millions of illegal border crossers President Biden chose to release into our homeland. Y'all ... as a mom, I can't quit thinking about this. I mean, this could have been my daughter. This could have been yours."

The claim that immigration brings on a crime wave can be traced back to the first immigrants who arrived in the U.S. Ever since the 1980s and '90s, this false narrative saw a resurgence.

During the current presidential campaign, the vitriol has been intense. Just in the last few months, former President Donald Trump has spoken of immigrants as criminals and mentally ill people who are "poisoning the blood of our country." Florida Gov. (and former presidential candidate) Ron DeSantis said migrants suspected of carrying drugs across the border should be shot, without specifying how drug smugglers could be told apart from other migrants.

However, research indicates that immigrants commit less crimes than U.S.-born people. ...

"#20 | Posted by LampLighter"

All these ------ studies rely on the criminals to self-report their immigration status and thus are useless. Only the Arizona study used law enforcement to confirm the actual immigration status and that study found undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans (U.S. citizens and legal residents combined).

Prison Population: From January 1985 to June 2017, undocumented immigrants, who made up ~2% of Arizona's population (ages 15"35), accounted for ~8% of the state prison population, implying a disproportionate incarceration rate.

Young Offenders: Young undocumented immigrants (15 to 35 years) commit crimes at twice the rate of young U.S. citizens, even after adjusting for age-related crime trends.

Refer to the 2018 report by John R. Lott Jr. of the Crime Prevention Research Center.

@#21 ... All these ------ studies rely on the criminals to self-report their immigration status and thus are useless. ...

And your current aliis knows that ... how?

... Prison Population: From January 1985 to June 2017, undocumented immigrants, who made up ~2% of Arizona's population (ages 15"35), accounted for ~8% of the state prison population, implying a disproportionate incarceration rate. ...

Yep.

A disproportionate incarceration rate.

Not talking about the crime rate.

... Refer to the 2018 report by John R. Lott Jr. of the Crime Prevention Research Center. ...

This John R. Lott Jr?

Who Is John Lott and Why is He Claiming That More Guns Mean Less Crime?
vpc.org

What else yer got?

"@#21 ... All these ------ studies rely on the criminals to self-report their immigration status and thus are useless. ...
And your current aliis knows that ... how?"

Because that is their stated methodology -------. The only one that actually confirms the data is the study I referenced.

"A disproportionate incarceration rate.
Not talking about the crime rate.
#22 | Posted by LampLighter "

Really? That is your talking point on this? Try harder -------.

@#23 ... the study I referenced. ..

"The study" or the opinion piece?

Given the author your current alias cites, I'm leaning more towards the latter.

... That is your talking point on this? ...

I note that your current alias has not provided anything besides ad hominem attacks to gainsay what I posted.

Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born (2024)
news.northwestern.edu

... Study finds over a 150-year period, immigrants have never been incarcerated at a greater rate than those born in the United States ...

Some Americans believe that undocumented immigrants are a criminal threat to society. Former President Donald J. Trump has leveraged this assumption to inflame the rhetoric around immigration from the U.S.-Mexico border.

A study co-led by Northwestern University economist Elisa Jcome provides the first historical comparison of incarceration rates of immigrants to U.S.-born citizens.

Using incarceration rates as a proxy for crime, a team of economists analyzed 150 years of U.S. Census data and found immigrants were consistently less likely to be incarcerated than people born in the U.S.

They also found beginning in 1960, the incarceration gap widened such that immigrants today are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than the U.S.-born. ...

@#24 ... immigrants today are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than the U.S.-born ...

Wow.

Illegal border crossings down 99.9%, murder rate down 21%+. Promises made / Promises Kept.
#3 | Posted by ScottS
Not even you believe your own stats.
#8 | Posted by Sycophant"
I 100% believe them because they are true. The 21% is an understatement because --------- like NYC refuse to report their numbers but the rest is all detailed in the linked article.
As for 99.9% drop in illegals:
nypost.com

Promises made / Promises kept!
#9 | Posted by ScottS

Imagine being too stupid to even quote your own story...

Idiot.

That's RELEASED after being captured. That's not illegal border crossings where they aren't captured. Remember, you essentially ended Asylum. So now they all want to cross illegally rather than simply applying for asylum at a port of entry.

And the Murder Rate?

The murder rate has been declining since COVID, dummy. It dropped 16% in 2024. Biden sure must have been awesome.

Jesus Christ, you truly are the dumbest person on here.

Jesus Christ, even the headline is KEPT declining.

Hey idiots, how was the Murder rate declining year after year if its all the illegal Biden was letting it committing the crimes? I thought he was letting in millions a year? Shouldn't the murder rate go up?

How stupid are MAGAts? Apparently pretty god damn stupid. They shouldn't be allowed to breed...or vote...or leave their homes...

"#20 | Posted by LampLighter"

To end this debate once and for all and to stop you -------- from mindless repeating headlines without understanding the studies themselves, I will provide the information for you. Feel free to double-check with Grok, ChatGPT, etc.

The NPR article you linked states 3 studies " these 3 studies are repeatedly used to make these false statements regarding illegal alien criminality.

1.) THE INCARCERATION GAP BETWEEN IMMIGRANTS AND THE US-BORN, 1870"2020 paper did not differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. They used some proxy measures but did not actually use any database of actual data on criminality whereby immigration status was determined. No one is debating that legal immigrants commit crimes at much lower rates. Hell, I would go so far as to state illegal immigrants due to visa overstays probably commit crimes at lower rates. The main issue is illegal border crossers.

2.) CATO Institute 2019 report on Texas. This study used fingerprint data to determine immigration status. Any fingerprint that was not explicitly found in the prior immigration database (which is only collected via prior police encounters) was included as native born'. Thus, this study only correctly identifies illegal repeat offenders which are typically deported or change location so they do not re-offend in the same jurisdiction. In the case of CATO, they are basically classifying all illegal first-time offenders as native born' based upon their methodology so we are only really capturing illegal repeat offenders " and given that " the rates are shockingly high given deportation or changing jurisdiction.

3.) The Marshall Project " this did not even study relative rates of criminality between legal and illegal immigrants. It concluded that there was no surge in illegal criminality but their methodology actually makes this conclusion impossible. They used the data from the FBI UCR " which does not even state immigration status as well as the estimate for illegals in metro areas. In short, if crime decrease, they automatically assume it is due to lower immigrant crime " garbage study.

As I said previously, the ONLY study which systematically determined immigration status was the Arizona study " and that found illegal immigrants committing crimes at much higher rates than legal immigrants.

"It dropped 16% in 2024. Biden sure must have been awesome.
#26 | Posted by Sycophant"

yeah - and it dropped 21%+ under Trump including 36% in NYC. A drop of 21% is better than a drop of 16% in the murder rate everywhere but liberal bizarro world apparently.

@#29 ... yeah - and it dropped 21%+ under Trump including 36% in NYC. ...

So, a continuation of the post-COVID decline?

Ai bots (I mean ScottS) are really boring. Verbose, yet lifeless.

"It dropped 16% in 2024. Biden sure must have been awesome.
#26 | Posted by Sycophant"
yeah - and it dropped 21%+ under Trump including 36% in NYC. A drop of 21% is better than a drop of 16% in the murder rate everywhere but liberal bizarro world apparently.

#29 | Posted by ScottS

Moron.

That's Q1 compared to Q1 of 2024. It continued to drop all of 2024.

Wait...do you know how calendar's work?

But you sort of missed the IT'S BEEN DROPPING FOR YEARS bit. So it ain't the illegal immigrants.

But let me drop some facts on you...

Q1 2025: Down 21% from Q1 2024
Q1 2024: Down 26% from Q1 2023!
Dark Bradon wins again!

Why couldn't little Cheeto Jesus match Biden's drop rate? Is Biden just that much better than him? Poor little ScottS. Even his own stats say Biden was better. Poor baby.

Ai bots (I mean ScottS) are really boring. Verbose, yet lifeless.

#31 | Posted by REDIAL

ScottS is Bellringer/JeffJ.

Same pattern, same misquoted stats, same misquoted sources, same tactics, same stupid arguments.

@#28 ... To end this debate once and for all and to stop you -------- from mindless repeating headlines without understanding the studies themselves ...

Looks like a whole lot of projection in that comment.

Stated differently, I was not the one who cited John R. Lott Jr as a valid source.

@#32 ... But you sort of missed the IT'S BEEN DROPPING FOR YEARS bit ...

Yup.

Claiming the stats proves it's opinion, when the stats actually seem to disprove its opinion.

So lame.

ScottS is Bellringer/JeffJ.

Probably the same committee alias.

What a weird way to be.

"John R. Lott Jr as a valid source.
#34 | Posted by LampLighter"

He is the only one that did a valid study that actually ascertained the immigration status. If you cited this study, it would have given you credibility. Instead, you cited NPR with the 3 worthless studies as I have already detailed.

So again - never use that NPR link or those studies to make claims about illegal immigrant crime rates as they have now been thoroughly debunked. Repeating them after today is not just a mistake - it is knowingly lying.

Squats is one ignorant little bitch

The only thing declining are the numbers that are actually reported.

www.prb.org
We baby boomers commit fewer murders, it is a fact, and the murder rates will tend to decline until the aging population dies off. As a boomer I understand that it is our responsibility to live well and to prosper. but of course politicians will claim credit for the lower crime rates in some cities.

"Q1 2025: Down 21% from Q1 2024
Q1 2024: Down 26% from Q1 2023!
Dark Bradon wins again
#32 | Posted by Sycophant"

Do you -------- ever tell the truth? Where did you get your 26% drop from? It surely was not from the equivalent report released in Q1'2024 which showed the drop was 17%, not 26%. Here is the link to the report:majorcitieschiefs.com

The numbers?

Q1 2023: 1782
Q1 2024: 1474, a decrease of 17% - which is LESS than the 21% drop under Trump.

So, where did you get your 26% numbers? Why, you got it by doing a Google search on total US murders which is skewed given so many agencies did not report - however, for the apples to apples on these deep blue --------- cities - WE HAVE THE NUMBERS.

So, we are back to why you lied.

1.) You were too stupid to know how to do an apples to apples comparison?
2.) You were intentionally trying to lie and got busted

Neither one is a good look for you.