So, actually enforcing the law and deporting violent illegal alien, wife beating gang members results in a massive drop in crime. Who would have thought that?

At this point - every person with a brain knows that Democrats allowed the crime rate to spike intentionally because a population that is terrified of being a victim of violent crime is easier to control.

"Maybe we could try developing a just, fair society with decent education and social services and see if that works out.
#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist"

We tried that - it didn't work. When police were replaced with social workers and crime was ignored in deep blue -------- cities, it exploded. We clearly have a solution now - of course, the Democrats never wanted a solution to this problem so they will just keep complaining. Illegal border crossings down 99.9%, murder rate down 21%+. Promises made / Promises Kept.

"No we didn't.
#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist"

Yeah, we did. It did not work:

"#8 | Posted by Sycophant"

I 100% believe them because they are true. The 21% is an understatement because --------- like NYC refuse to report their numbers but the rest is all detailed in the linked article.

As for 99.9% drop in illegals:

"I see nowhere in your article about increased social services
#10 | Posted by TFDNihilist"

Maybe you missed this part of the article:

"This week, the Seattle City Council passed a $7.4 billion budget which boasts an emphasis on "public safety," but cuts funding to the Seattle Police Department by eliminating 80 of the 200 officer positions that the city previously committed to hiring. The budget also allocates $4 million towards public school mental health counselors, $500 million for affordable housing to be dispersed over two years, but cuts Seattle Police Department funding once again."

"#20 | Posted by LampLighter"

All these ------ studies rely on the criminals to self-report their immigration status and thus are useless. Only the Arizona study used law enforcement to confirm the actual immigration status and that study found undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans (U.S. citizens and legal residents combined).

Prison Population: From January 1985 to June 2017, undocumented immigrants, who made up ~2% of Arizona's population (ages 15"35), accounted for ~8% of the state prison population, implying a disproportionate incarceration rate.

Young Offenders: Young undocumented immigrants (15 to 35 years) commit crimes at twice the rate of young U.S. citizens, even after adjusting for age-related crime trends.

Refer to the 2018 report by John R. Lott Jr. of the Crime Prevention Research Center.

"@#21 ... All these ------ studies rely on the criminals to self-report their immigration status and thus are useless. ...
And your current aliis knows that ... how?"

Because that is their stated methodology -------. The only one that actually confirms the data is the study I referenced.

"A disproportionate incarceration rate.
Not talking about the crime rate.
#22 | Posted by LampLighter "

Really? That is your talking point on this? Try harder -------.

"#20 | Posted by LampLighter"

To end this debate once and for all and to stop you -------- from mindless repeating headlines without understanding the studies themselves, I will provide the information for you. Feel free to double-check with Grok, ChatGPT, etc.

The NPR article you linked states 3 studies " these 3 studies are repeatedly used to make these false statements regarding illegal alien criminality.

1.) THE INCARCERATION GAP BETWEEN IMMIGRANTS AND THE US-BORN, 1870"2020 paper did not differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants. They used some proxy measures but did not actually use any database of actual data on criminality whereby immigration status was determined. No one is debating that legal immigrants commit crimes at much lower rates. Hell, I would go so far as to state illegal immigrants due to visa overstays probably commit crimes at lower rates. The main issue is illegal border crossers.

2.) CATO Institute 2019 report on Texas. This study used fingerprint data to determine immigration status. Any fingerprint that was not explicitly found in the prior immigration database (which is only collected via prior police encounters) was included as native born'. Thus, this study only correctly identifies illegal repeat offenders which are typically deported or change location so they do not re-offend in the same jurisdiction. In the case of CATO, they are basically classifying all illegal first-time offenders as native born' based upon their methodology so we are only really capturing illegal repeat offenders " and given that " the rates are shockingly high given deportation or changing jurisdiction.

3.) The Marshall Project " this did not even study relative rates of criminality between legal and illegal immigrants. It concluded that there was no surge in illegal criminality but their methodology actually makes this conclusion impossible. They used the data from the FBI UCR " which does not even state immigration status as well as the estimate for illegals in metro areas. In short, if crime decrease, they automatically assume it is due to lower immigrant crime " garbage study.

As I said previously, the ONLY study which systematically determined immigration status was the Arizona study " and that found illegal immigrants committing crimes at much higher rates than legal immigrants.

"It dropped 16% in 2024. Biden sure must have been awesome.
#26 | Posted by Sycophant"

yeah - and it dropped 21%+ under Trump including 36% in NYC. A drop of 21% is better than a drop of 16% in the murder rate everywhere but liberal bizarro world apparently.

"John R. Lott Jr as a valid source.
#34 | Posted by LampLighter"

He is the only one that did a valid study that actually ascertained the immigration status. If you cited this study, it would have given you credibility. Instead, you cited NPR with the 3 worthless studies as I have already detailed.

So again - never use that NPR link or those studies to make claims about illegal immigrant crime rates as they have now been thoroughly debunked. Repeating them after today is not just a mistake - it is knowingly lying.

"Q1 2025: Down 21% from Q1 2024
Q1 2024: Down 26% from Q1 2023!
Dark Bradon wins again
#32 | Posted by Sycophant"

"#43 | Posted by LegallyYourDead"

I don't know - are there mirrors in your head? Because that is where I live rent free apparently.