And this is what D/FBI Kashyap Pramod Vinod Patel wants for the FBI: Brutal UFC tactics, like these submission holds.

These strangulation moves were not taught at FLETC when I went decades ago (2x).

There are other less dangerous, yet effective, techniques to secure a non-compliant suspect without asphyxiating, choking, or strangling them.

There isn't a Republican who will condemn this.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-13 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag

Quite the opposite. They wait it for this move when they watch UFC bouts.

@10 Hi Galaxie Pete:

Good story.

Like you, I learned martial arts (Japanese ju-jitsu) decades ago, long before MMA was introduced to the US by the Gracie clan. Everybody else in my neighborhood boxed, but I played the piano and trumpet and didn't want to take a chance injuring my fingers or my lips.

In jujitsu training we were taught the several dangerous strangulation and choking technique, and how to escape them, but sensei let us practice no more than twice per session because he didn't want to take a chance that a student could get hurt in their tracheal or carotid artery area. If I was choked or strangled twice in a session: "OK! That's it! Next student!"

The US Army taught some of those lethal techniques in hand-to-hand combat training, but the Rangers and SF guys got much more of that training in their programs.

When I went to FLETC years later, we were taught how to restrain someone from the rear without having to apply pressure to the neck/throat region. FBI SAs are taught the same technique (my agency sent me to the FBI DT program years later).

When we see these submission moves by American cops from any jurisdiction on suspects, you and I both know this is official application of an unofficial technique.

I'm off to bridge now, so we'll have to continue this later.

#4 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS
If you don't mind my asking, what is your background?
I understand if you don't want to share.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2026-01-14 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag

Hi JPW: I'm a native New Yorker who went through the NYC public education system up to the M.A Degree. Like Zohran Mamdani, I graduated the Bronx HS of Science. I played in musical bands on the weekends. Worked for Uncle Sam for several years in law-enforcement and ended up in the US Army (Military Intelligence, JCS, and DIA) from where I finally retired (after 27 years as an LTC). Started the paperwork to become a licensed PI, but got married instead.

In my halcyon years I played several musical instruments, handball, tennis, swam, read voraciously, and learned some martial arts.

That's why I was a five-year graduate for my BA and four years for my MA. Zoinks! My classmates and friends far outdid me.

My military experience took me to many sh*thole places, which is why I am an enemy of war crimes, apartheid, and torture from any person, country, or organization. You must see it in my posts or comments.

So, if you ask me whose side I'm on, it's whoever is on the bottom of the fight.

If Jews are being put on trains, I'm on their side; if Ukrainians are getting slaughtered, I'm on their side; if Palestinians are getting ethically cleansed, I'm on their side; if my fellow poor Americans are starving and dying because they can't afford healthcare or a meal, I'm on their side.

Most welcome, A Friend.

Your older brother made it in the world of music and he has talent, probably perfect pitch. Good for him.

My friend's daughter just auditioned in Manhattan for an operatic part, but I didn't catch the name of which production.

Great movie, but that scene is all Hollywood and no realism.

The dog would have split at the first gunshot.

I guess Shane didn't hear the creak of the wood caused by the sniper upstairs, but the young boy did after all the gunfire in that enclosed space.

Still, Alan Ladd is handsome and Jack Palance, is well, Jack Palance.