Friday, January 16, 2026

Drawing the legal line on DEI coercion

Diversity-training programs purport to teach participants how to be better colleagues to people from different backgrounds and to eliminate unconscious bias and make workplaces more welcoming. But in too many places, these trainings"and the broader DEI structures of which they are part"have instead mandated ideological conformity, enforced with the leverage every employer holds over its workers

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#1 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-01-16 06:57 PM

How many DEI programs have you experienced personally, JeffJ?

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 06:59 PM

You'd have to have actually had a job...

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2026-01-16 07:02 PM

"mandated ideological conformity"

This is just Karl Popper's Paradox oF Tolerance turned on its head.
To Republicans, ideological conformity is when you aren't allowed to say people from Somalia are shistain people.
Expecting people to behave in a civil manner towards one another is the tyranny of ideological conformity.
To wit:

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The training featured a slideshow and a series of cartoon videos about "systemic racism" and "understanding white supremacy." Attendees were told that "systems of oppression" were "woven" into the "very foundation of America," and that white supremacy is a "highly descriptive term for the culture we live in." Trainees were directed to break into small groups to discuss these concepts before returning to a larger group discussion, where they were told that, if they didn't speak, they would get called upon.
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You'd have to be immensely racist to be an armchair Constitutional Scholar who knows that slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person for representation purposes only, thus taking power from the free states and giving it to the slave states, and deny that "systems of oppression" were "woven" into the "very foundation of America."

Do you deny that systems of oppression were woven into the very foundation of America, my little pumpkin?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:06 PM

From the cited article ...

... The training featured a slideshow and a series of cartoon videos about "systemic racism" and "understanding white supremacy." Attendees were told that "systems of oppression" were "woven" into the "very foundation of America," and that white supremacy is a "highly descriptive term for the culture we live in." ...

... and that was incorrect?

How?

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 07:08 PM

"white supremacy is a "highly descriptive term for the culture we live in."

I don't see how anyone can argue with this either.
Blacks are 13% of the population and 2% of our Presidents.

White households had a median net worth of $284,000 in 2022
Black households: Median net worth was $44,000 in 2022

One of those groups has a significant financial advantage over the other.

Maybe you'd prefer if they called it White Dominance? White Superiority?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:17 PM

"
... and that was incorrect?

How?

#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2026-01-16 07:08 PM | FLAG: "

Read the whole article. Historical interpretation is not the issue.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 07:20 PM

FTA:

" On compelled speech, the opinion confronts the reality of those "correct answer" modules. A format that prevents employees from proceeding unless they pick the government-approved answer "forced acceptance or adoption of the school district's views." That's the line between legitimate instruction and unconstitutional compulsion. Government can train employees on lawful duties and express its own views; it cannot demand that private citizens agree with those views as the price of employment ... ... ..

More broadly, Henderson is another important step in the pushback against DEI. It doesn't outlaw training about discrimination. Nor does it forbid schools from pursuing equal opportunity. What it does"properly"is draw a constitutional line to prevent DEI demands from becoming ideological tests. As the majority puts it, "It's about suppression of viewpoints"

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 07:24 PM

@#7 ... Read the whole article. ...

I did.

... Historical interpretation is not the issue. ...

I did not cite historical interpretation. But even if I did, so what?

In #5, I was not asking a question of the article, I was asking a question of the trolling alias that posted the article.

...

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 07:25 PM

"On compelled speech, the opinion confronts the reality of those "correct answer" modules. A format that prevents employees from proceeding unless they pick the government-approved answer "forced acceptance or adoption of the school district's views." "

Okay.
So now when the math teacher insists two plus two equals four, they "forced acceptance or adoption of the school district's views."
When the history teacher says the Civil War was about slavery, they "forced acceptance or adoption of the school district's views."

And I'm guessing that's okay with the judge, because students aren't workers and don't have the kinds of legal protections we only give to workers.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:27 PM

" I was asking a question of the trolling alias that posted the article.

...

#9 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2026-01-16 07:25 PM | FLAG: "

Why do you think this subject is trolling.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 07:28 PM

"DEI regimes don't just chill speech in the training room; they chill it in the courthouse."

NO they don't.

"Judge Ralph Erickson begins with a reminder: "It is important to note at the outset what this case is not about." The court isn't grading the district's politics or even deciding whether all DEI trainings are unlawful"

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:29 PM

Why do you think this subject is trolling.

Because you're using this example of a DEI program that brushed up against workplace protections, to say all DEI is bad.

Actually your article does that in the sentence I quoted at the top of #12.

"Government can train employees on lawful duties and express its own views; it cannot demand that private citizens agree with those views as the price of employment."

But a private company could. This raises a Fourth Amendment issue ONLY because the employer here is the government.

And that has nothing to do with DEI.

And this DEI module would be legal for any non-government employer.

And I don't think you understand that.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:34 PM

Why do you think this subject is trolling.

#11 | Posted by BellRinger

You posted it.

Shall I remind you

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

No one respects you loser

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-16 07:34 PM

Sorry, not Fourth Amendment. First Amendment.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:35 PM

" No one respects you loser

#14 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2026-01-16 07:34 PM | FLAG: "

People who aren't respected get ignored. I clearly do not get ignored. And I sure as ---- don't give a rat's ass if people on this site - especially you - hate me.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 07:46 PM

"People who aren't respected get ignored."

Or corrected.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:54 PM

@#11 ... Why do you think this subject is trolling. ...

I did not apply the "trolling" adjective to the subject of this thread.

I applied it to the alias that posted the thread.

It's #11 comment merely provides more evidence of my attribution.

:)


#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 07:57 PM

"People who aren't respected get ignored."

Or corrected.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2026-01-16 07:54 PM

Or ridiculed.

#19 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 08:05 PM

@#17 ... "People who aren't respected get ignored."

Or corrected. ...

or challenged.

And such corrections and challenges are the life-blood of a current alias that seems to live to troll. Apparently, by its own admission.

But ya know, in some respects I'd proffer that the trolling is good. But only while it is confined to a thread here and there. That was my philosophy when I ran a message board. But, when the trolling became too prevalent, to the point that the overall site was being dragged down by it, I stepped in.

Stated differently, I am not against trolling. But only because it provides more ad revenue to RCade on this most august site, and helps to allow him to continue providing this most august site, a place to have rational discussions of WTF is going on around us all. But excessive trolling, that's a different story.

YMMV and all that ...


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 08:11 PM

People who aren't respected get ignored. I clearly do not get ignored. And I sure as ---- don't give a rat's ass if people on this site - especially you - hate me.

#16 | Posted by BellRinger

Wrong, cunt, you get laughed at, you get mocked, you are called a liar, repeatedly, by many, many posters. You're a pathetic self admitted troll. Everyone knows it, loser

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2026-01-16 08:11 PM


@#19 ... Or ridiculed. ...

Yup.

(wish I had read #19 before I posted #20)

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 08:12 PM

@#21 ... you get laughed at, you get mocked, you are called a liar, repeatedly, by many, many posters. You're a pathetic self admitted troll. Everyone knows it, loser ...

Sort of like a comparison of what Pres Trump is doing to the United States vs what that trolling alias tries to do to this message board?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 08:15 PM

#16 bell boi says, "People who aren't respected get ignored."

Might very well explain this:

bellringer, 18 plonks

#24 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 08:15 PM

#16 Hate you, bell boi?

People generally don't "hate" those who are oblivious.

Like this and this and this... for example.

No, most find ridiculing the oblivious...

The Liar (way too many to list). The Coward (as if that's any news). The Cuck (naturlich)
...very entertaining.

Have we forgotten to thank you, bell boi?

#25 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 08:23 PM

Want a tissue, Twoothy?

#26 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 08:31 PM

Hey, bell boi, have you figured out the meaning of the word "speculation" ? ? ? ?

Along with the word "efficacy,", you seem to be having a very difficult time with the English language.

Are you mad, or something?

#27 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 08:35 PM

" People generally don't "hate" those who are oblivious."

Twoothy sure he'll does. But I have made him cry a few times, so there is that. So does, Zed, but he's clinically insane.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 08:37 PM

" Might very well explain this:

bellringer, 18 plonks
#24 | POSTED BY A_FRIEND AT 2026-01-16 08:15 PM | FLAG: "

You act like that means anything. 18 people have more plonks than LGH and of those 18, only one (effeteposer) isn't right of center.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 08:46 PM

You act like that means anything. 18 people have more plonks than LGH and of those 18, only one (effeteposer) isn't right of center.

Posted by BellRinger at 2026-01-16 08:46 PM | Reply

Have you heard from Rightocenter lately??

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2026-01-16 08:49 PM

#29 Gosh, bell boi.

It certainly couldn't be because those others are just as much disgusting as you are, could it, bell boi?

And you mean here, on the site known as Red Meat for Yellow Dogs ???

Say it ain't so, bell boi.

#31 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 08:54 PM

#29 And gosh, bell boi, you were the one who said that "People who aren't respected get ignored."

18 posters have voted with their kill files to demonstrate just that: They don't respect you.

Or, became tired of your obvious trolling behavior.

But I repeat myself.

You couldn't figure that out, all by your own little self?

#32 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 09:01 PM

I get plonked because I can't be easily Pigeonholed as left or right.

It's my Burden as a "thinker".

If I had all the "correct" ideas whichever side, I would be more respected. Or at least less Plonked,Sigh.

I hate to admit it but Eberly is my closest analog on this Most August Site.

And he's a pain in the ass 95% of the time.

Go Figure.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-16 09:04 PM

#33 My kill file has zero entries.

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

The Retort "kitchen" is wonderful, heat and all.

#34 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 09:08 PM

I Never Plonk anyone,even Censored. And he's actual Human Shit as a person.

I just think plonking is a Pussy move.

To each his Own, tho'

Life IS too short....

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-16 09:08 PM

#35 Indeed!

#36 | Posted by A_Friend at 2026-01-16 09:09 PM

@#13 ... I get plonked because I can't be easily Pigeonholed as left or right. ...

Is that the real reason why your current alias is, or has been, plonked?

Jus' askin'

#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 09:46 PM

@#37

Oops typo ...

Replying to #33, not #13.

Apologies.

#38 | Posted by LampLighter at 2026-01-16 09:48 PM

I don't really know,every plonk is unique.

Some people like yourself Lamplighter, don't seem to plonk anyone either.

I respect that openness to different opinions even when stupid, vicious, or simple trolling as a sign of real Strength of Mind.

Imbeciles like,Fishpaw, Murderous Bigots like Censored,or obvious trolls like Bellringer richly deserve being plonked.

But I never do, Censored is the Alias I Hate the Most. Still I won't plonk that Fool.

Free Speech means bearing with, some Real Pieces of Work.

I won't deny I have trolled extensively in the past to the point of creating whole points of view I don't really believe.

Its exhausting, and easy to become what you pretend to be.

The Kurt Vonnegut novel Mother Night is about that very Dilemma.

I can Say from personal experience that this is true.

Posing is as good as being if you carry it far enough.

#39 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2026-01-16 10:13 PM

My kill file has zero entries.

Mine has 16.

#40 | Posted by REDIAL at 2026-01-16 10:25 PM

DEI: "Don't be a racist, sexist prick."
Jeff: "That's ideological coercion, libtard!"

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2026-01-16 10:28 PM

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