The results of Iran's success has been several fold.

They are able to pound Israel in ways that Israel has never experienced before. Entire neighborhoods are being leveled.

Iran has forced our navy out of Bahrain, meaning we need to go to India or Diego Garcia to rearm, meaning our ability to project force is drastically reduced as the navy loses time in transit.

Iran can degrade the oil and urea 'pipeline' out of the gulf, which has massive economic ripple effects.

Iran can do this with limited resources.

We lack an effective counter to Iran's capabilities. And we lack options to counter Iran's capabilities. We can bomb, more intensively, but Iran's rocket, drone and missile program are spread throughout the country in buried vaults/silos. That means each and every one has to be located and hit with heavy ordnance. That is it, that is the extent of our basic options.

Beyond that we can try to incite a civil war, which would fail. Kurds want nothing to do with us. The Iranian civilian population is unarmed and killing children (unapologetically) hardly endears us to them, so regime change from within just ain't going to work.

We can use land forces. But to what end. We simply do not have the troops or allies to do a massive land invasion. Ain't going to happen.

We can use land forces for limited objectives like securing the straits or seizing Iran's nuclear material.

But each of these is fraught with serious dangers. I hope I don't have to explain the hazards our marines would face in they landed along the Iranian shore or on Kharg island.

If we try to seize the nuclear material, we would need the 101st airborne and massive special forces along with a large contingent of experts to deal with the nuclear material, which is buried under rubble so heavy equipment. I hope you understand how dangerous that option would be

So, then there is ummm, well let's say it...

Wait, there is another option before that option

We can target critical civilian infrastructure-oil and water

Israel tried this early on, you may have heard about oil raining down on Tehran.

Well, Iran has been VERY measured in their response to criminal aggression against them

Iran responded to the oil attack by targeting Israel's oil terminal (Haifa I think), where half of Israel's gas and fuel is produced.

Very measured response

America responded very strongly to get Israel to stop.

Also Iran has not been raining rockets and drones and missiles as willy nilly as propaganda would suggest

Iran is being restrained in the use of their ordnance (certainly for numerous reasons-including husbanding a limited supply)

But Iran has only targeted Israeli civilian areas with limited attacks

The other critical target is water desalination plants.

If Iran faces an existential threat to their regime they have a devastating tool under their control. they can target Israel and the Gulf State's desalination plants.

So, Iran has a truly devastating tool in their arsenal and that leads us to......

Nukes

There is the nuclear option, which, the thought would be the use of them would get Iran to unconditionally surrender

But, as indicated above Iran can hit a few desalination plants or Israel's nuclear facilities (to cause a similar nuclear event in Israel equivalent to a bomb)

And that assume Iran doesn't have nukes btw.

So, we have mutually assured destruction.

So, Trump has very very limited options here and Iran holds all the cards.

I don't see the US military upping their targeting against civilian targets like Israel does constantly. But maybe we will. A desperate Trump would have no qualms about it.

That type of strategy is a very very long process

And if we escalate like that Iran will escalate on Israel and the Gulf States.

Keep a very important point in mind.

Air power alone has never successfully cause regime change

And we need to talk about the mentality of our mad king.

First, Trump is insane

Second, it is highly likely he is not being informed of or understands the negative implications of this war or his limited range of options. He is surrounded by sycophants who won't tell him the truth.

Third, he will only react to major negative impacts, like the stock market crashing

Fourth, he has repeatedly questioned why we don't use nukes

Fifth, most of his advisors are wholly incompetent (Hegseth) or downright sociopathic (Miller) or over their head (Caine)

Trump seems to think he can shape reality with his lies. Unfortunately, he has been successful with that strategy (politically) for a very long time. He thinks he can materialize victory out of his mouth.

The problem is that Iran is not the republican party or the American voters, they are a rational actor who holds a tremendous advantage.

And Trump's TACO is unlikely to work. That would require a fig leaf of "winning"

I can see him trying to reach an agreement with Iran so he can extricate himself from this mess

But Iran has near ZERO reason to agree to anything.

They are winning. They are in control of this war/

They WILL demand a great deal to assure that Israel and the US isn't back in 6 to 12 months attacking them again.

I remind you we had an agreement with them which we unilaterally withdrew from, we attacked them TWICE in the middle of negotiations. TWICE

AND OH YEAH WE MURDERED THEIR LEADER WHO HAPPENS TO BE THE TOP GUY IN THE SHIA RELIGION. And we killed many family members of the new leader, who happens to be more hardline then his father.

Any guarantee that Iran would accept will likely be HUGE, like us withdrawing from the Middle East or permitting Iran to actually get nukes. Stuff likely considered very unacceptable at this moment. but with a world wide depression, who knows?

And then there is the Israel factor.

They clearly view this as an existential war. Will they give up with an emboldened and stronger Iran? Will they agree to stop their criminal aggression?

I really don't think so, so far this war has been very popular with the Israeli people and the people running this war in Israel are as fanatical and abusive as the Iranians.

So, yeah, Trump has very limited options, except the obvious trap-escalation.

Escalation in this situation is doomed to fail.

And the nuclear question is there and not going away.

China, so far, hasn't been hurt too badly so they aren't currently incentivized to get involved actively (and lack the power projection needed-currently)

Russia is LOVING this war as they are truly the one unalloyed winner in all of this.

But realize China and Russia are aiding Iran. I wonder what Trump will say to Xi is a couple of weeks.

We could already be in WW 3.

Ummmm, So

US bombs Iran's Kharg Island
US President Donald Trump has announced that the country's military has bombed military installations on Iran's Kharg Island, close to the Strait of Hormuz, as the war escalates " and as constraints on energy flows have deepened a global economic crisis.

"The United States Central Command executed one of the most powerful bombing raids in the History of the Middle East, and totally obliterated every MILITARY target in Iran's crown jewel, Kharg Island," Trump said in a Truth Social post.

Trump, however, said that the US had so far avoided hitting Iran's oil infrastructure on the island.

This is not good

Expect heavy retaliation against Israeli and Gulf State oil resources

Only Piggy could claim we both hit and didn't hit Iran's oil infrastructure

Cause know that Kharg Island is where Iran pumps its oil.

And after 5 on friday post to avoid spooking markets

And is this a precursor to marine invasion???

ARRRRGGGHHHHH

Countries seeking deals with Iran for oil flow: Analyst
As the effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz continues to send energy prices soaring, more and more countries are reaching out to Iran " and not to the US " to seek solutions, Trita Parsi, cofounder of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, points out.

"Key states are now reaching out to the Iranians to try to find a way to negotiate their own safe passage [through the strait]," Parsi told Al Jazeera. "India has already struck a deal. The Europeans " France and Italy " have as well. They've gone to Iran to do this. Not to Washington. And that reflects very clearly on who is in control of the situation over there."

Semi-official Iranian news agency confirms military targets hit on Kharg Island

By Mohamed Vall
Reporting from Tehran, Iran

Some of the details we received are from Fars news agency, which is a semi official news agency, saying that it's confirming the strike on Kharg Island, talking about an army defence facility, maritime base, a helicopter control tower and the helicopter carrier.

These are among the targets that have been struck on Kharg island. So there is that confirmation from a source very close to the government.

Regarding the reactions, we have that reaction from the Army Headquarters command centre, saying that if the oil facilities in Kharg Island are hit, that means Iran will strike back against any oil facilities or installations in the region that are related to Americans in any way, shape or form.

A strong statement there.

Do not for one second think that Iran does not have the capability to achieve that end.

This is a VERY dangerous inflection point; Iran is saying that if the US and/or Israel target their oil facilities they will respond to any and all gulf state facilities. Putting all of those nation's oil production out of action for months? WOW that would be an endgame scenario.

Thanks magat scum for putting the worst human being on the planet in charge of all of our fates.

And our Secretary of Defense is calling for "No Quarter"

No quarter is refusing to accept the surrender of combatants

This is a war crime

Said offhandedly by the Secretary of Defense

FFS

Thanks magat scum

The US is shedding jobs (92,000 lost in February)

0.7 GDP growth 4th quarter (near recession levels)

Oil prices skyrocketing will push inflation higher

High inflation

Job losses

GDP recession

Welcome to stagflation

What is staflation?

Stagflation is a rare and difficult economic condition characterized by the combination of stagnant economic growth, high unemployment, and high inflation. It represents a "worst of both worlds" scenario where costs rise while the economy slows, challenging traditional economic policies that usually address inflation or unemployment separately.

The problem with stagflation is that there are few tools to get out of it

Combine that with $40 trillion debt

We are looking into the abyss and Trump is pushing us.

Thanks Magat Scum

I am honestly curious

Are there any magat out there willing to apologize for their votes?

Iran's tanker warfare

We have lost seven air refueling planes damaged or destroyed.

This may have an impact on our ability to conduct flight operations, though possibly relatively small as we do have several hundred tanker aircraft

Trump is asking China to defend the Straits of Hormuz.

Trump is desperate for an endgame

Trump is setting the stage for disaster

True disaster

Thousands of dead Americans in a single incident or economic collapse or destruction of oil production or destruction of desalination plants

There is no doubt that Trump views himself as a historic figure and wants to leave monuments to his 'greatness". Just see the Arc de Trump, the WH dance hall, the "Trump"-Kennedy Center and a hundred other things.

Trump is a sociopath.

Trump is a narcissist.

There is not much doubt about the above

What does that mean for the Iran War?

Well, I think it is pretty clear that Trump has put himself in the escalation trap.

The escalation trap is, essentially as an example, starting a war without clear goals and endgames against a weaker foe. The weaker foe spreads the conflict horizontally, drawing in others and spreading the conflict to vulnerable areas. The aggressor is left unable to stop the weaker foe, has limited options and only escalates the violence. Bomb more, bomb more sensitive and less military objectives, essentially trying to sap the will of the weaker foe. This is a trap though because without a clear goal, there is only escalation which is self-defeating, it hardens the weaker foe's resolve and isolates the aggressor, so the aggressor escalates the violence to a breaking point

Trump does not admit mistakes

Trump only quits when he can declare victory. Trump instigates problems so he can solve them.

Trump has instigated this Iran war (whether from his own megalomania or from bowing to Israel's manipulation). Obviously without understanding the situation. Christ, to filling the Strategic Petroleum Reserves before attacking shows criminal neglect in leadership

So, Trump wants to end the war swiftly, desperately. that is evident in his rhetoric, his desperation is pathetic, obvious and actually quite a thing to witness. That desperation makes it more difficult to reach an exit ramp btw.

So, Trump is stuck in the trap. He cannot escape with a viable claim to victory, because Iran has him by the short hairs. They control the Strait of Hormuz and there is nothing Trump can do about it.

To take it would require a massive land invasion force, which we don't have. He can try partial measures, like seizing islands or some land along the coast, but that will result in massive casualties and will likely not even stop Iran's control even if successful (Iran can just pull back and control the sea lanes with drones). The movement of the marine expeditionary force is evidence that he is considering such a partial measure.

But this deeply deeply sick man, who can't be troubled to learn the basics of issues like war, surrounded by sycophants, incompetents and religious fanatics yearning for Armageddon, who cannot, will not admit a mistake, who ALWAYS takes the easy way, who views himself as a historic figure, who wants to make his mark on history will look out and see no options facing a stubborn, proud, intelligent, rational country standing obstinately in his path to relief, a country fueled by its own fanaticism that views this struggle as existential, that views Trump as utterly untrustworthy with an ally who is their blood enemy equally as fanatic facing an self-perceived existential threat, that man Trump will face a choice-do something he has never done in his entire life-swallow his pride OR say ---- it, drop a nuke.

That is who the magat scum have inflicted on us and the world. A man who will view the use of nuclear weapons as a place to guarantee his mark on history. Unfortunately, he doesn't understand that he would be more like Hitler than Truman, more like Satan than Lincoln.

We can only hope and pray that President Donald J. Piggy chickens out or strokes out and dies, quickly.

How come our government isn't being honest about US casualties?

December 7, 1941 lives in infamy because Japan attacked the US without warning during negotiations.

We have done that twice in like 9 months