Kamala Harris lost because of the moral bankruptcy of the American electorate

She lost to a conman, felon, rapist insurrectionist liar.

It should not have been close

Due to the moral failings of the American people, no democratic candidate would have won.

Because Americans are: Stupid, Venal, Willfully Ignorant, Bigoted and Hateful

If you can't tell what Piggy is within 1 minute of listening to him your critical thinking skills suck.

But Americans had years of him.

And chose him anyway.

America deserves the destruction that he is reaping.

To be clear all this autopsy and navel gazing is about messaging.

if we did that or said this, Americans would have voted differently.

this is patently ridiculous.

No candidate who rants about eating cats and dogs and concepts of a plan for healthcare and promises of retribution should EVER have a chance at the presidency.

No candidate so singularly ignorant on every topic and singularly arrogant that he is the smartest person in the room. So OBVIOUSLY ignorant, so OBVIOUSLY a liar, so OBVIOUSLY malicious, with a fifth graders vocabulary and the expression of a greasy used car dealer should ever have had a chance.

No this is not about Gaza, or transgenderism or Biden's age or AIPAC or distancing from Biden or inflation.

It is about an electorate who couldn't look at Piggy and realize that he should never be allowed to gain the presidency, let alone for a second time.

A country that stupid, that hateful DESERVES the collapse of our nation that is coming.

You asked for it, you get it.

The dildo of truth rarely comes with lube.

America deserves the destruction that he is reaping.
While I don't disagree with you.
I'd prefer it not to be happening.
But America isn't the first nation to fail because of the shortsightedness of stupid people.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack

Fuck that, America has become evil. Evil needs to be expunged.

I remind you we are aiding and abetting a genocide. We are aiding and abetting pogroms and land grabs and torturing children.

That is evil

We started an unjustifiable illegal war of aggression by assassinating a country's leaders with a cowardly murderous bombing that killed infants.

We did that during negotiations, without declaration without warning. TWICE

That is evil

We are killing Venezuelan fisherman on a regular basis

That is evil

We have put an illegal embargo of oil on Cuba resulting the deaths of children. There is no justification for that. There is no reason other than some Miami Cubans want to get rich with Cuban real estate.

That is fucking evil

America is doing this.

We are not stopping Piggy from doing this

America is evil and bad things should happen to evil people.

#7 Gosh, TruthHurts ... nothing in there about Israel or AIPAC.
And, yet, you took me to task?

#10 | Posted by A_Friend

America is evil. Israel is evil

If America were not evil, Piggy wouldn't be president.

Prove me wrong.

Truth Hurts Donut

#12 Because Israel and AIPAC had almost zero effect on the 2024 election.
Thanks, Clown.

#13 | Posted by A_Friend

Why was Piggy reelected given he was so obviously unqualified and unworthy?

Specifically, why did the American people CHOOSE him?

Israel and AIPAC had almost zero effect on the 2024 election.
Of course not.
Nothing did other than Harris being a woman of color.
Americans are just racist misogynists and chose and orange man over a black woman.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack

I contend this is not correct.

I contend Piggy would have defeated a lily white cis-hetero church going moderate dem

Because the American people are evil.

Agreed.
Can you not take Yes for an answer?

#18 | Posted by A_Friend

We are discussing why the dems lost in 2024.

I hear only myself pointing the finger at where it belongs. The morons who voted for a rapist, felon, conman insurrectionist liar.

NO MESSAGE WOULD HAVE CHANGED THAT

It shouldn't have been close

#17 The American people did no such thing.
Less than half of those eligible to vote voted in 2024.
Barely half of those voted for the Trumpf.
Doesn't equate to the American people choosing anything (except, perhaps, apathy).

#23 | Posted by A_Friend

Not voting is a choice

They chose knowing the ramifications

The American people are responsible.

Americans had a duty to not re elect Piggy

They failed

This is on them.

Post that a few more times A Friend it still won't be relavent.

The messaging wasn't the problem.

The problem is that Americans were not raised right, were not raised with critical thinking skills, were not raised with ethics

Dems could have spent a trillion dollars countering that bullshit and IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED.

Eggs cost more therefore Piggy save us.

#28 So?

#31 | Posted by A_Friend

Teach Americans basic human dignity, basic morals, basic empathy.

Nothing else will matter.

FWIW typically that will take a massive tectonic shift is cultural usually achieved through major wars or global depressions.

Starving to death will have a way of focusing one's attention on what really matters.

#26 "The American people are responsible."
Why, yes they are.
Why can you not take Yes for an answer?

#33 | Posted by A_Friend

Because you seem to keep posting that transgender ads were the problem.

When the problem is an American electorate so devoid of morality as to hate an infinitely small number of people that they don't know, that have zero power and have zero negative influence on society.

A person so full of hate and compassion and so stupid to think that a transgender person has any impact on their lives is too stupid and to evil to make an ethical/rational choice

Messaging is not the problem. The problem is the 10s of millions of people raised without basic humanity.

A person so full of hate and LACKING compassion...

Sorry Lamp there is no subtlety needed, we are beyond subtlety

The problem with America does not begin and end with democracy the problem is America is evil

We are doing evil things and they are barely even mentioned as such.

they are not framed as the great evil that they are.

We fought world wars to stop countries committing the crimes that we are committing and abetting.

Evil deserves retribution.

"Because you seem to keep posting that transgender ads were the problem."
And you have an alternative?

Trump hammered Democrats on transgender issues. Now the party is at odds on a response
#44 | Posted by A_Friend a

Piggy stood on a stage and ranted about people eating cats and dogs.

It should not have been close

The problem was not the message, if it weren't transgenderism, it would have been eating cats and dogs or the murderous raping gangs of brown people or the sky is falling because of Biden/Harris.

It would have been anything.

The problem is the fertile field that sucked that shit up.

The problem is the people.

"Because you seem to keep posting that transgender ads were the problem."
And you have an alternative?

Trump hammered Democrats on transgender issues. Now the party is at odds on a response
#44 | Posted by A_Friend

Yes I do have an alternative

Instill basic decency in the American populace.

I raised my kids to be decent people.

They wouldn't vote for a rapist

It will take generations to instill that in the American populace

Again, stuff like civil wars, global depressions and world wars are usually pretty good at resetting a populations' moral compass.

The regressive movement has been going on for centuries, they have won.

They have defeated liberalism.

Either start a revolution or accept your fate

#47 "The problem is the people."
You are 100% correct, TruthHurts

#48 | Posted by A_Friend

And the people will only change when forced to.

That force usually comes from starvation or bombs

#50 "And the people will only change when forced to."
You are 100% correct, TruthHurts

#52 | Posted by A_Friend at 2

I know I usually am

People need to wake up to the fact that the regressives have won. We are witnessing the death of liberalism.

Regressives have been fighting for centuries to turn back the concept of representative democracy and equality. They want a return to the aristocracy. they firmly believe that some are inherently better than others and are inherently, divinely ordained to lead.

We are witnessing the death of representative democracy.

For the first time in 250 years the SC stripped a right from half of Americans. This court has stripped countless liberal policies from our governance, the latest of which is the right to representation. This court has made the President a king in all but term limit (and we will see where that leads)

That is the death knell of liberalism. The individual's right is no longer supreme. Liberalism is being replaced with oligarchy and autocracy.

The regressives are plotting and planning to turn our country into a one-party rule. We should all be terrified of the radical gerrymandering underway. that is a path to one party rule. Making the House work like the Senate where entire states have one party representatives and then complete control of the districts will INEVITABLY result in 1 party permanent representation on the state level. When a state has all it's districts as one party and that party controls the state there is literally nothing to stop that permanent control of the districts through gerrymandering.

That is just another nail in liberalism's coffin.

So, spend all your energy debating trans or gaza or inflation.

When representative democracy is being stripped from you and your vote will no longer matter.

As an aside, my vote hasn't mattered my entire life. I live in a blue district in a blue state. My vote has never had any sway over president or policy.

They are extending that concept to the rest of the country1

@#55 ... The individual's right is no longer supreme. Liberalism is being replaced with oligarchy and autocracy...
Is Liberalism about the right of an individual being supreme?
Or is it about the rights of the People over the dictated rights of the oligarchy and autocracy?
The people of Hungary recently had the ability to express their opinion on that topic.

#56 | Posted by LampLighter a

Liberalism is a political and philosophical tradition centered on individual liberty, the consent of the governed, equal rights, and the rule of law.

It is the essence of We the People...

It is the essence of representative democracy.

It is the essence of the declaration of independence and the consent of the governed.

this is what the regressives are fighting.

They are striving for a defeat of this system of governance.

They are striving for an aristocratic society-be the aristocracy wealth, race, gender.

They do not believe in universal rights or universal suffrage.

those are anathema to their essential beliefs

And they are winning.

The SC literally have found that the President cannot be held accountable for any crime he commits.

That is power that kings would be jealous of.

That is certainly and decidedly NOT liberalism

It is aristocracy.

This SC stripped women of a right they had for 50 years.

That is unprecedented. That a right, a critical right was just discarded.

That is not individual liberty, it is the state dictating what a woman can do with her body.

They have trampled on trans rights, essentially making them unpeople.

They have dismantled African American rights to representation. that certainly isn't the consent of the governed.

These actions are central to what they are attempting.

And this gerrymandering fight is terrifying in it's long term implications.

The one saving grace I THINK is that representation is by people so more populace areas should have more representation. But if the south has zero democratic representatives will that be offset by blue areas? IDK.

I do know that that chaos in the system runs counter to good governance and the rule of law.