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Friday, March 29, 2024

The US stock market has hit a record high after a string of downbeat trading sessions.

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#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-03-28 06:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And they're horribly overvalued. Can we say "bubble?"

#2 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-28 05:53 PM | Reply

What goes up must come down. The question when? Trump hopes it is before November. Biden hopes it isn't.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-03-28 07:00 PM | Reply

Warren Buffett's favorite market indicator is flashing red.

www.cnn.com

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-03-28 07:11 PM | Reply

#2

The problem is there aren't many good places for ROI right now so anyone with savings pretty much has to throw it in the stock market if they want their savings to keep pace with inflation let alone grow. So with so many people throwing so much money in there the market will keep going up. If the Fed starts cutting rates this year expect it to get higher.

This bubble won't pop until the people with savings have to start taking their money out of the market to pay bills or safer investments start yielding more. So far safer is getting you 5% vs 10% a quarter in S&P and the people with money to save aren't pinched enough to have to sell investments.

#5 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2024-03-28 07:19 PM | Reply

#4

From your own link: "Buffett himself has conceded that the very simple metric has its limitations." also ""This is not hype," JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon told CNBC last month" and finally "The froth appears to be settling"

So in one way I agree with the premise that the market is overvalued but at the same time I think the main reason is more money in the market chasing returns so less chance of the bubble popping.

Of course I fix fireplaces for a living so maybe not the guy to get your market prognostications from. While I do frequently beat Cramer, so does a blind monkey throwing darts.

#6 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2024-03-28 07:29 PM | Reply

There's so much money that it leaks into everything. Bitcoin, why is anyone buying bitcoin? Because there's so much money sloshing around at the top, they have to invent new ways to "invest" it.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 09:08 PM | Reply

"Warren Buffett's favorite market indicator is flashing red."

Only Flashing? Let me know when it goes solid red.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 09:26 PM | Reply

Might just be a short.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 09:27 PM | Reply

Bitcoin has soared to a fresh all-time high this month in a rally that's sparked fears the Biden administration could be quietly plotting to "kill" crypto.
www.forbes.com

The article says nothing about the Biden Administration trying to kill crypto.
The article says say plenty about big investors looking to Bitcoin as a store of wealth to hedge against a future recession.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-28 09:49 PM | Reply

Can we say "bubble?"

People have been saying that word since 2006. It loses it's meaning after 18 years.

#11 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-03-29 10:04 AM | Reply

Bitcoin, why is anyone buying bitcoin?

Greed.

They see how much it is worth right now and NEED to get in on the gravy train not understanding what is driving the run up other than greed.

#12 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-03-29 10:05 AM | Reply

Greed.

Greed is good.

Don't blame me I don't make the rules!

around 40% of the total supply of Bitcoin can be attributed to identifiable ownership groups, such as exchanges, government entities, public and private companies (e.g., Tesla and Block Inc.), mining companies that secure the Bitcoin network, ETFs and other publicly-traded funds, wrapped BTC[6], consumer trading platforms (e.g., Robinhood), and dormant addresses.
www.grayscale.com

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2024-03-29 10:20 AM | Reply

People have been saying that word since 2006. It loses it's meaning after 18 years.
#11 | POSTED BY NIXON AT 2024-03-29 10:04 AM | REPLY

Yes, and some of it - real estate and a bit of tech - popped once in that time. If you remember, 2008 wasn't the greatest of times financially.

The problem is it has NOT lost its meaning - it's been kicked down the road, snowballing the whole way.

Trump's economy was artificially propped up the entire time by artificially low interest rates, as he pushed on the fed not to raise them. We should have, needed to have, been in a recession then, not falsely driving growth through what were essentially negative interest rates that were among the many factors that later contributed to 2020 on inflation. Then his covid spending blew up the national debt, every bit of which goes toward further devalueing the dollar. Biden has since driven even greater inflation with even more massive government spending, beginning at a time when supply chains were still endemically disrupted.

So what are we looking at now?

Wall Street is doing amazing. Like 1928 amazing. A quick check of latest S&P 500 figures shows 89-149% overvalued. Fitch Ratings has housing overvalued at 11%, but tack that on to a stagnant housing market as that bubble merges with current interest rates.

Wages began to outpace inflation, but have begun dialing back, sometimes falling to pre-pandemic levels, while inflation has accumulated at close to 20% in that time. Not counting food, fuel, etc. Consumer spending is still up, but it is debt spending. Repossesions are up, credit card debt and default is up. Unemployment remains low - but this is a difficult marker to parse, as people fall off the roles. A more accurate figure - US Labor Force Participation Rate is at 62.50%. This is static over several years, and slightly lower than average, painting a rather different picture. Many of the new jobs participated in are in government and healthcare. These fudge GDP data, as they are financed through deficit spending. M2 has fallen in a way not seen since the Great Depression.

The yield curve has been inverted a shockingly long time. Media has begun considering that this is no longer an effective predictor. I'd argue rather, the longer this holds, the worse the "correction" is likely to be.

Last of all - and my worst predictor of doom and gloom - Cramer predicted a soft landing.

#14 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-29 12:32 PM | Reply

#14

I don't disagree with any of your statements but I still think the day of reckoning can and will be kicked further down the line. As far as consumer debt goes it currently stands at 17.5 Trillion while the value of the US housing market stands at 47.5 Tillion. If you have 175,000 in debt but your house is worth 475,000 you are in pretty good shape. So unless income slide 10% or more I suspect we can keep this rocket going 3-5 years at least.

I'm not looking forward to the crash that happens at that point.

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2024-03-29 12:48 PM | Reply

If I had to bet - I suspect Biden will begin to lean heavily on the Fed to cut rates by this summer. We'll kick the can down the road slightly, but I think it will buy months, not years, and whoever gets the presidency in 2024 will face a crippling recession.

I'm not confident in either to handle it. Biden slightly better, perhaps as more inclined to listen to advice. Trump is a two-trick pony - he's got tax cuts and pushing even lower rates. Both of which will probably reignite inflation catasrophically. Biden will lean into even more deficit spending (this is relative - compared to Trump, who set record deficits himself) but at that point, you'd have a growing unmanageable national debt and interest at the same time as a falling GDP. Not a good combination.

I'm not being partisan. This is the trajectory we have been on since Reagan.

And I would LOVE to be wrong. I'm not enjoying this doom and gloom.

But Cramer. We're boned lol

#16 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2024-03-29 01:10 PM | Reply

"string of downbeat sessions"

Oh noes, it dropped a third of a percent! Jump out the window!

#17 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-30 04:24 PM | Reply

"face a crippling recession"

And your proof is....?

#18 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-03-30 04:24 PM | Reply

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