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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, August 18, 2024

In the ongoing debate over America's trade policy, politicians and pundits often claim that the public supports tariffs and other protectionist measures, such as those given to us by the Trump and Biden administrations. A new Cato Institute poll, however, reveals a more complex picture: Americans might like the idea of tariffs and "Buy American" policies, but their support shrinks when confronted with higher prices and other negative consequences.

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This disconnect"between abstract preferences and real-world actions with concrete downsides"challenges the protectionist narrative currently dominating both sides of the political aisle.

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... their support shrinks when confronted with higher prices and other negative consequences ...

Probably because they don't understand the dynamics of tariffs and who ultimately winds up paying for them.

Fact check: Trump says China is paying for his tariffs. He's wrong. (2019)
www.nbcnews.com

... President Donald Trump told an Ohio audience Thursday that China is footing the bill for the massive tariffs he's slapped on foreign goods coming into the United States.

"Don't let them tell you, the fact is " China devalues their currency, they pour money into their system. Because of that, you're not paying for those tariffs. China's paying for those tariffs," the president said, hours after announcing the new set of tariffs on Chinese goods. "Until such time as there is a deal, we will be taxing the hell out of China."

But economists say that's not how tariffs work, and that Americans are the ones footing the bill so far. ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-18 01:52 PM | Reply

A tariff, by definition, makes things more expensive.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-08-18 06:05 PM | Reply

@#2 ... A tariff, by definition, makes things more expensive. ...

Yup.

But that simple aspect seems to be lost in the MAGA cult.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-18 08:04 PM | Reply

On the other hand, a different approach, one of investing in America?

Making Things, Better: Federal Support for U.S. Manufacturing (April 2024)
bipartisanpolicy.org

... The Advanced Manufacturing Production Tax Credit (45X) is an Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) created production tax credit (PTC) aimed at incentivizing domestic production of clean energy technology components, including wind turbine blades, solar panel wafers, electricity inverters, batteries, and critical minerals.

The Qualifying Advanced Energy Project Tax Credit (48C), expanded by the IRA, is an investment tax credit (ITC) for domestic advanced energy projects, including projects to produce or recycle clean energy products and projects to reduce emissions at manufacturing facilities.

Key IRA production and investment tax credits provide a 10% bonus for meeting domestic manufacturing requirements for steel, iron, or manufactured components. These credits are the Renewable Electricity PTC (phasing out in 2024) and its successor Clean Electricity Production Tax Credit (45Y), and the Energy ITC (phasing out in 2024) and its successor Clean Electricity ITC (48E). ...



#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-08-18 08:13 PM | Reply

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People love tariffs until prices inflate

"People" also seem to love tariffs even after prices inflate, because "populist" politicians responsible for tariffs in first place explain higher prices by "greedflation," "corporate greed," "price-gouging," "billionaires," "thanks capitalism!" etc., and sometimes even double down on tariffs, to "punish" the "culprits" - most recently it's been "China, China, China!"

www.forbes.com - Sorry, China. Most Americans Support Higher Prices On Your Imports. - Forbes, 2022-04-24

finance.yahoo.com - Some of the most popular campaign ideas are also the dumbest - YFin, 2024-08-19

|------- If you told voters your plan was to raise their taxes by $1,700 per year, you'd never get elected. Yet Trump's plan to boost tariffs on imports would do just that... Trump says other countries pay the tariffs, which is a blatant lie. ...
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When there were articles posted on DR about inflationary nature of Trump's tariffs, most here agreed that "Trump has no understanding of the economics and his tariffs are stupid" and cause prices to rise. When pointed out that no one was stopping Biden to single-handedly cancel these "stupid and inflationary" tariffs - a "populist" policy that Trump cynically "stole" from Democrats, because the union bosses and Dem protectionist and isolationist "base" love them - hardly anyone said a word.

Now that Biden slapped $18B additional tariffs on China, same attempted to excuse them as "small and targeted" (of course!) but still can't explain why Trump's "dumb, inflationary tariffs" remain in place - just "Trump's tariffs bad, Biden tariffs good!"

www.npr.org - Biden kept Trump's tariffs on Chinese imports. This is who pays the price.

|------- ... "Unfortunately, the tariffs have caused us to move manufacturing of some of our products over to China," Digre said. "If the tariffs went away, we would start moving a lot of that stuff back here."

Trump's tariffs were an about-face from decades of free trade policy. Economists warned that American consumers would pay the price, U.S. companies complained they would lose money to foreign competitors...
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Example from (one of many) crucial supply-chain cogs:

www.latimes.com - Port of L.A. faces shifting winds in business and politics - LAT, 2024-07-18

|------- What about tariffs? Biden recently increased tariffs on a wider array of Chinese goods - steel, EV cars, solar cells. And there's potential for even higher, broader tariffs to come, especially if Trump wins.

Those tariffs were met with retaliatory tariffs that really were very impactful on a negative side for a number of American companies ... What we've seen with tariffs policy, and in some cases rhetoric, is that here at the Port of Los Angeles, the portfolio with China is now down to about 45% [from 57% three years ago].

No one can replace China as a manufacturing hub. ... But we've made up that difference by capturing cargo from other markets, and specifically Southeast Asia - Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand... We've also seen growth in manufacturing in Mexico. ...
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So, here we are... Presidents and their parties often have a choice to make : "good policy / bad politics" and "good politics / bad policies."
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#5 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-08-20 06:33 AM | Reply

President Donald Trump told an Ohio audience Thursday that China is footing the bill for the massive tariffs

This guy is what the voters trust on the economy?

A 78 year old who doesn't know how a tariff works.

His last trade war with China ended up costing consumers thousands of needless extra dollars and in the caused a trade deal with China that was far worse for the US consumers than the one before it and led to the baby formula shortage that the GOP blamed Biden for and then they all voted against the bill to fix it.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-20 11:53 AM | Reply

But that simple aspect seems to be lost in the MAGA cult.

What do you expect from people who walk around wearing diapers outside their pants, put tampons on their ears and carry around pretend cups of Shady Vance's sofa batter?

#7 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-08-20 11:56 AM | Reply

Punitive tariffs are reasonable.

But blanket tariffs are stupid.

No one can replace China as a manufacturing hub

You don't have to. You just need to have enough base to keep the monopoly in check.

#8 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-08-20 12:49 PM | Reply

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