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- Consciousness as the Matrix of Reality Dive deep into the revolutionary ideas of Max Planck, the father of quantum theory, who proposed that consciousness is the true foundation of reality, not matter.

This video explores Planck's groundbreaking perspective that matter arises from consciousness " a concept that challenges traditional materialism and reshapes our understanding of the universe.

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Max Planck > Quotes

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."
Max Planck

"Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve."
Max Planck, Where Is Science Going?

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."
Max Planck, Scientific Autobiography and Other Papers

"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together.
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter."
Max Planck

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Who was Max Planck?

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-11 09:39 PM | Reply

Apparently Schrodinger (and presumably his Cat) agreed with Max:

"What Schrdinger Meant by 'Consciousness is a Singular Entity"

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#2 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-12 04:43 PM | Reply

The Borg.

That's where science is going.

#3 | Posted by Angrydad at 2025-08-12 10:24 PM | Reply

My view, we have not a clue about the Universe we live in.

One Universe, or a Multi-verse.

Let's start there.

I have opinions and experiences.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-08-12 11:13 PM | Reply

Albert Einstein wasn't all that far from Plank and Schrodinger's views on the relationship of consciousness to matter:

"Beyond Materialism: All three expressed viewpoints that went beyond a purely materialistic understanding of reality, suggesting something more fundamental than just matter.

Unity and Interconnectedness: Schrdinger's concept of a singular consciousness and Einstein's pursuit of a unified field theory both hint at a deep interconnectedness and unity underlying the universe.

Points of divergence

Nature of Consciousness's Role: Planck more explicitly viewed consciousness as the fundamental source from which matter derives, while Einstein's pursuit of a unified field theory focused more on the underlying laws and structures governing matter, and Schrdinger, though emphasizing the singular nature of consciousness, saw it as the fabric of the universe rather than its direct origin."

www.google.com

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 10:55 AM | Reply

Here are a couple of much more recent scientific articles on the subject:

"Astrophysicist: Materialism Is on Shaky Ground"

mindmatters.ai

"No Materialist Theory of Consciousness Is Plausible

All such theories either deny the very thing they are trying to explain, result in absurd scenarios, or end up requiring an immaterial intervention"

mindmatters.ai

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 11:00 AM | Reply

"Consciousness is the biggest problem for materialism. How is it possible that a bunch of particles that are devoid of consciousness get together and cause consciousness?"

^
The question is premature.
Because you still haven't defined consciousness.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-08-13 11:04 AM | Reply

"How is it possible that a bunch of particles that are devoid of consciousness get together and cause consciousness?"

How is is possible that you made the determination that the individual particles are devoid of consciousness?

It's not possible that you did that.
There's no test for consciousness.
You simply assert it exists in one case, but not the other.

As an intellectual endeavor this is reminiscent of quoting The Bible to prove The Bible.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-08-13 11:12 AM | Reply

# 7,8

Where are those quotes from, and to whom are you speaking?

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 11:18 AM | Reply

"Consciousness is the biggest problem for materialism. How is it possible that a bunch of particles that are devoid of consciousness get together and cause consciousness?"

Consciousness is an "emergent property" of the brain, meaning it arises from the complex interactions of its components (neurons) but is not reducible to those individual components or their properties. It's not a single thing that resides in a specific area, but rather a property that emerges from the coordinated activity of the entire brain.

A classic example is water, which is wet, but its constituent elements, hydrogen and oxygen, are not.

Though personally I prefer the example of Life itself. Which seems to an emergent property of other emergent systems and of the universe itself.

I don't think the universe was "tuned" but we are the natural outcome of the of the laws and rules of evolution of this universe. Which is most likely one of an infinite number of possible universes.

If it was "tuned" somehow then right there is your God of the gaps. The final gap. It's much more likely though that we are just one of many possible universes. As our consciousness expands out into this universe we have become aware of how big space and time really is and the possibilities of more universes and dimensions we cannot see (yet) get bigger. And the Gods get smaller.

Throughout history, our understanding of the universe has evolved dramatically, moving from a perception of a flat Earth at the center to our current understanding of an expanding cosmos filled with galaxies beyond measure.

I don't expect it to stop here. Unless we enter another dark age.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-08-13 11:23 AM | Reply

AI Overview

The nature of consciousness - whether it is emergent or fundamental - is a subject of ongoing debate and research.

Most scientists and philosophers lean towards the view that consciousness is emergent, arising from complex physical systems like the brain, rather than being a fundamental property of the universe.

However, some theories propose that consciousness might be fundamental, with the physical world potentially being a manifestation of consciousness.

Here's a breakdown of the two main perspectives:

www.google.com

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 11:27 AM | Reply

"Where are those quotes from"
The mindmatters.ai linked article.

"to whom are you speaking?"
Anyone who's consious.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-08-13 11:32 AM | Reply

"some theories propose that consciousness might be fundamental, with the physical world potentially being a manifestation of consciousness."

Define "some". Regardless I don't disagree. It's a matter of perception. Depending on how you define consciousness.

But the "consciousness" of a rock is not the same as the consciousness achievable in a brain. And the brain is the result of evolution. The evolution of the universe. And that evolution is still ongoing.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-08-13 11:39 AM | Reply

As for whether consciousness is fundamental again it's perception ... what do to mean by that? So do you mean you think consciousness always existed? It pervades all matter at the quantum level?

With that I'd have to disagree. Without the emergent property of Life the emergent property of consciousness was not possible. Just as the emergent property of water was not possible until hydrogen could combine with oxygen. And at one point during the evolution of the universe oxygen did not exist and water was not possible.

Just as at one point Life did not exist and consciousness was not possible.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-08-13 11:50 AM | Reply

- consious.

lol

Science 'facts' are changing quickly as new discoveries are made every year now, and I expect that those will accelerate now that AI (really SI, Simulated Intelligence) gets more developed.

And I suspect that as answers come, they may be ones that have been previously proposed.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 11:52 AM | Reply

Quantum and the unknowable universe | FULL DEBATE | Roger Penrose, Sabine Hossenfelder, Slavoj iek

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Haven't watched this yet, it's from a few months ago though, and should be interesting.

"Roger Penrose is a world-renowned mathematician, mathematical physicist, philosopher of science and Nobel Laureate in Physics. He is best known for his work on general relativity and sharing the Wolf Prize for Physics with Stephen Hawking for his work on black holes. Additionally, he is author of The Road to Reality, Cycles of Time and Shadows of the Mind.

Fearlessly critical of the scientific mainstream, Sabine Hossenfelder is a groundbreaking theoretical physicist who specialises in the foundations of science. She is a leading science communicator, best-selling author and researcher. Her recent books include Lost in Math, and the New York Time's Best Selling Existential Physics.

Slavoj iek is a globally renowned philosopher and cultural critic. He is international director of the Birkbeck Institute for the Humanities at the University of London, visiting professor at New York University and a senior researcher at the University of Ljubljana's Department of Philosophy. He is the author of several books, including The Sublime Object of Ideology, The Parallax View, and Heaven in Disorder.

(Penrose is a long-time member of the British Humanist Soc, btw)

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 12:00 PM | Reply

Consciousness is defined as self awareness.
Obviously this is extremely subjective.

Are Chimpanzees AS conscious as humans? because they are not aware that they are made up of molecules? I don't know.

#17 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-08-13 12:09 PM | Reply

Ah, which begs the question; Are Trumpers conscious as humans, because they are not aware of their Cultism?

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 12:15 PM | Reply

Understanding the quantum nature of the universe is not for the weak minded.

I recommend anything by professor Sean Carol or Brian Greene. Sean Carol can go as deep into the math as you can handle or he can keep it light and go over the fundamentals of quantum mechanics to give you an over view. Brian has a great way of explaining things.

A word of warning tho.. It's been said (by Richard Feynman), "I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics."

And I think that is still true. Which means nobody really understands the fundamental nature of the Universe. (Yet)

But I do know this to be true from personal experience(which I also admit is not infallible). Nothing Matters. A lot!

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-08-13 12:18 PM | Reply

"Consciousness is defined as self awareness."

Where does consciousness exist? Can you point to it? I always point to my brain. Because you can't point to it without a brain. Some actually point to their hearts or whatever it is they are currently looking at. The Greeks believed it was in your heart or whatever they called "thumus".

Does our consciousness only exist in our brains or does it go out and "touch" things? It's my understanding that we recreate the world inside our brains. It doesn't really look like how we recreate it at all. Because our senses are like filters. They filter out the things we don't need for the immediate survival of our genes. There is an inside world that is a recreation of the outside world. But not an exact copy. Which is why some concepts (like the earth spinning and revolving around the sun) have been difficult for us as humans because we create an illusion so that we can deal with the universe on the macro level that we exist in. We live in an illusion our brains create. Some live in illusions that are stronger that others. Obviously.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-08-13 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why Quantum Physics Messes With Reality

www.youtube.com

It's the weirdness....

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 12:49 PM | Reply

If Something (Matter/Energy) can come from Nothing. (Whether by a God or the Natural Evolution of Universes or whatever you choose to call it)

Then Nothing definitely Matters.

A lot!

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-08-13 12:53 PM | Reply

MIT Just Proved Einstein Wrong in the Most Famous Quantum Experiment
By Massachusetts Institute of Technology July 29, 2025

scitechdaily.com

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 12:53 PM | Reply

Prof John Lennox, Group Theory Expert at Oxford, would like just a few seconds of your time:

www.youtube.com

yt short

Group Theory (Abstract Algebra)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_theory

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 04:35 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

duh

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2025-08-13 04:36 PM | Reply

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