IMO, the new Republican senators coming in will have more loyalty to Trump and to their own bank accounts than they do to the country and to some nostalgic notion of how the Senate should operate. Yes, I could be wrong. We'll know soon enough.

On Wednesday, McConnell stood firm once again on keeping the filibuster in place even though Republicans could junk the supermajority rule with a simple majority vote.

"The filibuster will stand," McConnell told reporters.

Yes, I know what McConnell said, but McConnell is no longer in charge.

I expect the Republicans to toss out the filibuster as one of their first orders of business in the new year.

The employers that "didn't know" they were undocumented? Any consequences for them?
Posted by REDIAL

I'm sure Trump can work out a nice quid pro quo for them so they won't have to suffer any consequences except paying him off for that protection like he's some kind of MOB boss.

So spare me the "deport millions" -------- as we come to the twilight of 4 years of having operationalized the "importation of millions".

It's not my "deport millions" --------. Trump is the one who said he is going to deport 20 million.

Remember when Trump had to bail out farmers because his tariffs hurt them very badly??
Posted by LauraMohr

Most of the people who voted for him don't:

Mensa amnesia. Forgetting one is a genius.

Sea enemas. A new form of colonics.

That's why the deportation component is so important to this. It's one thing to shut the border back down and stop this nonsense, but the damage is already done unless we start deporting all of our new guests and removing them from the long-term equation.

Okay, so you won't be happy if Trump doesn't deport millions of people and not just the criminals. That's what I thought. I guess we'll see what happens, and if millions aren't deported, if you'll change your tune and give him a pass.

I think the Germans had a word for it....
Posted by Phir_Milengus

I am beginning to think -------- plan isn't well thought out.
It's only a concept of a plan.
#160 | Posted by REDIAL

I actually thought he had a plan and wasn't just demagoguing the issue to get votes, but after reading that article RCade linked to from NBC News and doing so more research, I now think he was just ------------ and demagoguing for votes. It's his 2024 version of Mexico will pay for the wall.

Oh, it's hilarious to watch.
What makes it so funny is that so much of these peoples' understanding of the world around them is premised on things they've internalized which simply aren't true.
Posted by Phir_Milengus

Honestly, Mao, that's what you and Lefty are doing right now.

So, what you righties think about Rubio and Salazar saying Trump is going to deport the criminals rather than the illegals who have families and are paying taxes? is that going to be enough for you?:

"I am sure that the Trump administration is not going to be targeting those people who have been here for more than five years that have American kids, that don't have criminal records, that have been working in the economy and paying taxes," Florida Republican Rep. Maria Elvira Salazar said in a PBS interview. Her Miami-Dade district is home to about 200,000 undocumented people.

"I am sure that they're going to hone in on the criminals who arrived less than four years ago," she added.

Asked in the interview whether she got those assurances from Trump or someone in his potential administration, Salazar didn't directly answer, but said she is "going to be one of those voices making sure within the GOP to make that distinction."

And Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said in an NBC News interview Wednesday that Trump has "made clear that his priority is to deport dangerous criminals. People that are in this country and are criminals in their home country, or are committing crimes here, they will be the priority for removal from this country."

Not to be salty or anything, but when you can articulate WTF Kmala Harris was actually trying to accomplish, you can begin to tell me why people voted for Trump over that person you accused of being a Presidential candidate.
#148 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Unlike you, I'm not basing it on my opinion. I'm basing it on what they said in exit polls and what they said in interviews like the one I posted above.

law-abiding folks
Illegal aliens aren't "law-abiding folks".
#138 | Posted by Phir_Mileng

Oh, but their relatives who voted for Trump think they are:

A Latino family who voted for Trump speaks out. Not going to lie--this is tough to watch.

SPOILER ALERT: It was about the economy. Trump's threats of mass deportation didn't matter to them, as they believe it won't affect their undocumented relatives, because they aren't criminals.

Or actually they call them illegal aliens:

The illegal aliens here are the ones tearing the country apart! Sooner gone the better.
#102 | Posted by MSgt

"But, that begs the question, what crimes will get people booted?"

What some of these undocumented immigrants have overlooked is that just being here is enough of a crime. That's why Republicans call them illegal immigrants!

The problem is Trump lied, the media did not hold him to account and many people were duped:

What's sad is that Trump and his allies don't even hide how much they think his voters are ignorant and deluded. Even back in 2016, Trump was raving about how he loves "the poorly educated." When it looked like Project 2025 might hurt him politically, Trump, shameless as usual, said he knew nothing about it. The architect of it, Russ Vought, admitted to an undercover reporter that Trump is just "running against the brand," but that he fully intended to use it as his policy agenda. After Trump's win was secure, his top lieutenant, Steve Bannon, giddy from his recent release from prison, gloated about this on his "War Room" podcast, by promoting a tweet by Matt Walsh: "Now that the election is over, I think we can finally say that, yeah, actually, Project 2025 is the agenda."

PS You better hope he doesn't deport 20 million undocumented immigrants because the Latinos who voted for him don't believe he will. They think he is only going to go after the criminals, not after their family members who are law-abiding folks with jobs and kids who are American citizens.

You lost the general by over 5 million votes and now that I see AZ is now in and counted, I see your girl lost the EC vote 226 to 312. You probably don't want to look at congress and senate either. Our country voted to take the garbage out and that's what is about to happen.. Call Americans deplorable and garbage, it has consequences.
#101 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You are projecting your reasons for voting onto the swing voters who do not share your ideology. They voted on the economy, inflation being the big concern, so they are wanting Trump to lower costs. They didn't vote for Trump to take out the trash or because anyone called them garbage, because they weren't Trumpers to begin with and aren't particularly interested in his revenge tour.

Ask Clownshack how many he adopted and is personally taking care of. Just push it off on people who don't really have a say in the way their tax dollars are spent. ----- about to get real though, Americans spoke Tuesday, loud and clear.
Posted by lfthndthrds

Is it though? As far as deporting 20 million undocumented immigrants I really don't think so. Between the logistics and resistance from within the Republican party, I think he will settle for sending home those with criminal records and those with temporary status, but then he'll build a wall and call it quits:

Some Republicans Try to Tone Down Trump's Mass Deportation Threats

Members of the GOP in immigrant-heavy states tried to reassure constituents that Trump is focused on dangerous criminals and not on "hardworking" immigrants.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see Trumpers like Robson saying, "Yeah, okay, let them stay.":

Why is this even a point of contention or discussion? 80% of Americans want the border secure and they want illegals deported now. Trump won by a landslide using the vote of every demographic citizen in America. Trump will do his job and make hiring illegals a crime and end all handouts. He will also crush the drug cartels and NGOs that were fed billions of our tax money by Democrats. It won't be difficult to take our country back from illegals and sanctuary cities. This country belongs to every citizen not foreigners.
Posted by Robson at 2024-11-09 07:59

Oh the irony and the schadenfreude that is about to follow:

America's political discordance: The Trump voters who want progressivism

Trump voters backed abortion, minimum wage and family leave--but don't get that Project 2025 would take it away

Perhaps out of fear of insulting their audiences, the pundits, journalists, and political consultants engaged in the lengthy post-mortem about Donald Trump's horrific victory Tuesday are avoiding the most obvious cause: ignorance. Millions of people who desperately want more progressive policies cast their ballots for a man whose agenda is exactly the opposite of what they want.

In state after state, voters backed both Trump and ballot initiatives that advanced and protected progressive goals. Laws protecting abortion rights were backed by the majority of voters in most states, even deep-red ones like Missouri, Montana, and even Florida--where the initiative only failed because Republicans set a 60% supermajority threshold. In Missouri, 12% of voters backed both abortion rights and Trump. Red state voters also backed initiatives to raise the minimum wage, ensure paid sick and family leave, and even ban employers from forcing employees to sit through right-wing or anti-union presentations. Democrats like Sen. Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, who are strongly associated with these progressive policies, were also able to win where Vice President Kamala Harris failed.

The problem wasn't Democratic policy or messaging. It's ignorance. As Heather "Digby" Parton wrote at Salon Wednesday, people backed Trump's "aesthetics and attitudes" but knew nothing about his policies. Before the election, Catherine Rampell and Youyou Zhou at the Washington Post polled voters about policies without revealing which candidate proposed them. Harris' were far more popular--even Trump voters generally liked her ideas more, as long as they knew they weren't hers.

Trump may be a fascist, but Putin is showing him who's boss, video of coverage of Melania on Russian TV at link:

Decoding Fox News
@DecodingFoxNews
Trump thinks he's besties with Putin and this is how Russian state media treats his wife. Putin is letting him know who is boss.

Julia Davis
@JuliaDavisNews
Meanwhile in Russia: this is how the most watched state TV channel in the country welcomed Melania Trump's upcoming return to the White House. Olga Skabeeva is trying not to laugh. This was probably her idea.

Robert Reich
@RBReich
A lot of people wrongly think being married to an American automatically grants citizenship. Unfortunately, it doesn't. This ruling, from a Trump-appointed judge, will rip families apart.

Judge strikes down Biden plan to help undocumented spouses of US citizens

Immigration advocates say ruling could separate families for years, while Mexico vows to continue measures to stop migrants from reaching US border

A federal judge has struck down a Biden administration policy that aimed to ease a path to citizenship for some undocumented immigrants who are married to US citizens.

The program, lauded as one of the biggest presidential actions to help immigrant families in years, allowed undocumented spouses and stepchildren of US citizens to apply for a green card, the right to permanent legal residency, without first having to leave the country.

About half a million foreign-born spouses of US citizens were estimated to have been eligible for the Biden administration's initiative that was announced in June under the banner "Keeping Families Together". Applications opened on 19 August.

Houston, we have a problem:

"The American people spoke loud and clear ... the goal should be to deport every illegal in this country we can find" -- Senator-elect Jim Banks indicates on CNN he supports going as far as to deport the undocumented parents of children who are American citizens