Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won?

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2020 Trump - 74.2m - 51%, 306 EC

2024 Trump - 74.2m - >50%
2024 Harris - 70.3m - 48%

11m deficit is enough for a dozen "Blue Walls" - that's the real story.

www.nbcnews.com - National Exit Polls: Election 2024 - NBC

Contrary to all the commentaries, Trump didn't "outperform" his 2020/2016 numbers - Harris bigly "underperformed" Biden and Hillary numbers in Dem areas, so percentages show it as Trump's relative "outperformance." It's clear that millions stayed home rather than vote FOR Harris - IOW, she royally f'd up for that to happen.

Mistake #1 - hubris: "Transitional" President declined to "transition / exit" in time and decided that he was "the best one to beat Trump."

Mistake $2 - hubris: Nationally, people keep rejecting "woke"; they barely elected "moderate, normal" Joe Biden, hoping he would be a centrist. after he selected Kamala to "balance" the ticket to appease "Bernie / Warren" wing. Dems keep forgetting it election after election and, after a win, think that people love them and ALL their policies.

Mistake $3 - hubris: Harris, already saddled with "Komrad Kamala" baggage in San Fran and CA, decided to ignore the safe and best choice to "balance" the ticket and secure the PA and likely other "Blue Wall" states votes... and chose someone even further left. The only way that could work if she started to speak "centrist" yet that didn't really happen - as she tried to fake it and avoid any substance. So what was the point? (Corollary: Never pick as VP a guy named "Tim")

Mistake #4 - hubris: Telling people that NUMBERS show "economy is good" (ignoring that 60%-70% have trouble paying bills and rising debt; steady 65+% of likely voters polled "on the wrong track") or claiming credit for subsiding inflation which is the result of the Fed and other Central Banks raising rates and slowing economies everywhere.

Mistake #5 - hubris: Doubling down on Bernie and Warren's "greedflation" and "gouging" and proposing usual left-wing "solutions" like price controls - that even most mainstream Dem economists said would be a disaster - and "no new ideas" ads continued until Nov 5th.

Mistake #6 - hubris: Not seeing forest for the trees. Taking for granted and relying on "Dem 'protection' lock-in" votes of women, "minorities" (LatinX, Black, Asian) and flaky "yoots" and pushing marginal yet largely unpopular issues like trans in women/girls sports and bathrooms **, forgiving student loans etc., while pissing off huge parts of even the same constituency to feel abandoned, ignored, looked upon and called "intolerant," "deplorable" etc., when they disagree.

IOW, just like Hillary!, hers was a "not listening, not hearing" campaign, with celebrity endorsements and repeating to the choir known facts about Trump (like Biden reminding us about 34 felony counts in a "debacle") but little about her (except "nothing different" ?), in a world that shifted away from and cares little about new "woke" acronyms (DEI, ESG, GND...), yet anyone with different opinion is disdained, called names and/or just ignored.

** www.usatoday.com - Harris lost because she was a bad candidate. Don't blame white women for that - USAT

www.nbcnews.com - Young men's economic prospects are shifting, along with their politics - NBC

www.theguardian.com - 'A fatal miscalculation' - Guardian

You can ignore reality, you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality
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Harris lost because the majority of voters chose a rapist over a normal human being

That is it

For swing voters it seems to have been a case of the devil you know vs the devil you don't know; it's not like Harris ran for the Presidency for 1 to 2 years like most people do.

She did it in a couple of months.

And for better or worse, low info types only know what their social media tells them, and we know who owns that.

The problem is Trump lied, the media did not hold him to account and many people were duped:

What's sad is that Trump and his allies don't even hide how much they think his voters are ignorant and deluded. Even back in 2016, Trump was raving about how he loves "the poorly educated." When it looked like Project 2025 might hurt him politically, Trump, shameless as usual, said he knew nothing about it. The architect of it, Russ Vought, admitted to an undercover reporter that Trump is just "running against the brand," but that he fully intended to use it as his policy agenda. After Trump's win was secure, his top lieutenant, Steve Bannon, giddy from his recent release from prison, gloated about this on his "War Room" podcast, by promoting a tweet by Matt Walsh: "Now that the election is over, I think we can finally say that, yeah, actually, Project 2025 is the agenda."

www.salon.com

Now Trump and Republicans are running around saying that voters gave them a mandate, but the voters actually didn't because he/they lied about their true policy intentions.

Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won?

Maybe it was when they decided to try and get "moderate" Republicans (like Dick Cheney) to vote for them rather than trying to get actual liberals who don't really support things like genocide and unending military conflict overseas to vote for them.

---- off with that ----, Harris didn't try and get anyone. Moderate sane republicans flocked TO her. She had to give up NOTHING for their support. The ONLY effort expended to Liz Cheney (who is actually quite popular outside of magat world) was 2 appearances with her including a pro-abortion rights rally. Cheney giving support on abortion would have been huge if abortion mattered to voters-it didn't cause apparently Americans hate women. She calculated expanding to the center was her best option. Given the left stayed the ---- home, maybe blame the ------- who stayed the ---- home. Or the magat scum who voted for a rapist over a prosecutor.

WAAAAAAAAAAA cry the psychos....

Gloom despair and agony on me....

www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by shrimptacodan

Don't get upset, moron. It's coming, and it's exactly what you wanted.

Looking forward to seeing you get what you voted for :)

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#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-09 05:42 PM
Obama and Clinton were elected because of a bad economy. Carter lost because of one.

Elections are usually a referendum on incumbent / current administration, and most often that centers on economy. Economies, especially as large as the US, usually thrive on their own and governments never fail to take credit for it. So crises, real or manufactured/imagined, often lead to change of leadership.

But trying to convince people that the economy is good, because the BLS or the Fed say so, sounded either like a deliberate lie or a tin ear and disconnection from reality that many people experience every day.

I was posting here the real state of the economic reality for most people and explained the policies that led to it, every time I saw a post with headline showing how good the NUMBERS are, and I am sure, they were ignored (if at all known / understood) by the campaign...

Couple that with constantly pushing and overemphasizing, at the expense of "bread and butter" issues, the 'boutique' "progressive" policies that many people - even in trad Dem "Identity politics" demographics - find harmful or even dangerous, and are vocally against, and you have a lot of people finding themselves alienated from/by the interests of the party.
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www.msn.com

Income bracket: $48,000
Income category: Lower class

Income gain under Trump: 1.8% or $870

Wharton analysis: The projected increase was much lower than Harris' proposed plan (1.8% vs. 4.8% or $2,260), and under Trump's tariff proposal for products coming from China and other places, those tariffs turn middle-and-low-income earners into "net losers" because of the increased cost of goods, especially from China, the Wharton project reported.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Net losers!!!!

Magat scum are net losers! SOOOOOO TASTY

May you get exactly what you voted for magat scum aka Net Losers.

As someone who voted regularly for Democrats 25-35 years ago I could tell you why Trump got elected again but you clowns would ridicule and insult, no meaningful dialogue would take place. ---- you and your feelings. You own this.

You own this.

#16 | Posted by lfthndthrds

What the ---- does this mean?

------- magat scum are so tied up in brain knots they don't understand what they are implying.

This phrase can only be taken that you think the situation (this) sux.

Which means you think the election ------- sucks

Which means you think what you have done sucks.

Which means you are criticizing dems for not stopping you from doing what you did.

So, No ---- YOUR feelings. You are magat scum and ---- your feelings. ---- you for demanding, once again, dems stop republicans from doing the ---- they are about to do. That is on you ---- face

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#7 | Posted by CutiePie

"More than" and "Less than" symbols reformatted the beginning of the post and ate some data... s/b:

2020 Trump - 74.2m - 47%
2020 Biden - 81.2m - 51%+

2024 Trump - 74.2m - 50%+
2024 Harris - 70.3m - 48%

-11m deficit is enough for a dozen "Blue Walls" - that's the real story.
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The concerning thing for Democrats is that in 2020 Trump got a higher percentage of every minority vote than he did in 2016. He also got a higher percentage of white women than in 2016,

The only demographic that went down percentage-wise for Trump in 2020 versus 2016 was white male votes. They are why Biden was elected.

There were people four years ago saying that Democrats should not be too happy that they won that way. Especially considering that the George Floyd protests and the surging unemployment during the pandemic should have made Trump get a much lower percentage of minority votes.

Now in 2024 the Democrats got even less of the minority vote purchase-wise.

For the sake of the future, Democrats need to be looking into exactly what it is that minorities are needing.

You can search for exit polls for those years to see what I am taking about.

Dems ran a disastrous and out of touch campaign.

1. As many have already pointed out - Biden promised to be a transitional candidate. Who then attempted to break that promise, denying Dems a traditional primary and full campaign cycle.

2. Telling people the "economy was great" - when wages have by no means come close to making up the difference in cumulative inflation, and for those whom it has, most were upper-middle class and above, who weren't hurting anyway. They handed the working and middle class to the Republicans on a platter, while pleasing their donor class and appearing completely out of touch.

3. Continuing "out of touch" - Trump was jumping on popular podcasts, pulling his stupid McDonalds stunt, etc. Kamala was stacking her stage with celebrities and elites. Not a good, and definitely not a populist look.

4. Touting their Liz Cheney endorsement. No, she is not in fact "popular outside of MAGA circles." Maybe with a few old-school neocon republican warmongers. For anyone on the left with a shred of integrity, the bare minimum she could add to Kamala's campaign was a decrease in enthusiasm. Add to that, Dems were already hearing rumblings of a loss in support from Muslim communities over the Gaza genocide. Cheney is the LAST person you want on your side when trying to keep the approval of people concerned about US backing and interventions in the Middle East. And guess what? Dems lost Dearborn, MI. ------- Dearborn.

5. Lies and hyperbole. "Trump called for a bloodbath!" He threatened to execute Liz Cheney! Whatever. As Bill Maher put it, you don't have to lie to me to make me dislike Trump. He says enough repulsive crap as it is. Example 1, he was clearly talking about an economic bloodbath, example 2, about warmongers not having to actually fight, etc. You just insult voter intelligence and undermine your own credibility. It makes Democrats look like liars and reinforces Trump's goal of undermining traditional media.

6. "It's the economy stupid."

7. "It's the economy stupid."

8. "It's the economy stupid."
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None of your points are correct.

The simple fact is that ----ler propaganda got enough voters to vote against their own interests to vote for rapist over a prosecutor.

That is inexcusable.

The fault lies with the American voter

No amount of messaging, podcast, moving to the center, moving to the left would have changed the fact that stupid people were ignorant.

The problem IS the stupidity of the American voter.

Those voters who rely on FACTS, read ---- and do not spend their lives on tiktok overwhelmingly voted for Harris

The problem is stupid (and evil) magat scum-the net losers.

Trump's propaganda got almost precisely the same number of people to vote for him as last time.

No change. That 30% of people who think the government is stealing their trailer money to spend on minorities - well, minus the fact he actually lost a few of them and pulled in a few more minority votes as well to make up the change.

Right wing propaganda - net change: -1 million votes.

Kamala's disastrous campaign vs Biden 2020: -11 million votes.

Trump didn't win. Dems lost.

"It's not inflations fault at the grocery store, it's how the people subjected to inflation perceive it!"

No, as a party we definitely don't learn.

Right wing enthusiasm avalanched and overwhelmed. IMHO.

Trump won because a majority of voters wanted him instead of VP Harris.
Get over the sour grapes.

Trump won because people voted with their wallet - plain and simple.

This Biden/Harris administration continually lied about the economy, inflation, jobs and the general state of affairs. Families struggling to put food on the table tipped the scales. Harris offered hope and joy as an answer to all these issues. The average American knows hope and joy won't pay the electric or grocery tab.

Democrats suck at messaging and they forced Harris on you while ignoring the fact that they suck at messaging.

Racism, Sexism, and Russian Election interference (see vote hacking).

@#26 ... Trump won because people voted with their wallet - plain and simple. ...

In some respects, I do not disagree.

But did they vote for a pipe dream? Or a real future?

We do not know that yet. But we have clues.

What we do know is that Pres-elect Trump's prior actions have not been pro-worker, or pro-middle class.

Pres-elect Trump has said he wants to extend his 2017 tax cuts to the wealthy.

Wait, what? The tax cuts that gave trillions to billionaires? What did workers get?

So, I have to ask, has Pres-elect Trump really changed?

What we do know is that Pres-elect Trump's prior actions have not been pro-worker, or pro-middle class.

Pres-elect Trump has said he wants to extend his 2017 tax cuts to the wealthy.

Wait, what? The tax cuts that gave trillions to billionaires? What did workers get?

So, I have to ask, has Pres-elect Trump really changed?

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-10 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

It doesn't really matter. The people spoke. They trust him more to deliver that Harris. They lived through 4 years of Trump and Kamala Harris. They deduced the difference from the two and made a choice... maybe bust out with a happy song/lyrics.

Real reason Trump won is because the dems SELECTED a piss-poor DEI candidate to run against him, and they also ran a piss-poor campaign - case closed.

BTW, ALL those swing states have swung to the Right : )

If Trump and the GOP go full MAGA and full Project 2025, I expect the country to swing back to the left in 4 years, providing that's still an option once they get down doing everything in their power to turn this country into a Orbanesque authoritarian oligarchy.

It was how people perceive those things, which points to one overpowering answer. The answer is the right-wing media.

Exactly. Biden and the dems squandered his time in office by not having the media that is under the control of FCC re-enact the Fairness Doctrine.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

I think you are naive about how elections will be implemented moving forward. I have major suspicions that someone messed with the 2024 election. The results make zero sense.

I FREELY ADMIT I HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

I just can't get my head around how not close the election was. A move right seems reasonable, but there were equal forces pushing left-Dobbs for example.

Something just doesn't smell righ

"It was stolen"

Okay qtards.

"It was stolen"

Okay qtards.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Point and laugh at the magat scum who brayed non stop that 2020 was stolen.

Hey, I am just pondering why we seemingly have anomalous results. I am not, like your magat scum leader, claiming theft without evidence-that is strictly a magat thing.

BTW if we stole 2020, why didnt we steal 2024?

Oh yeah, magat scum are dumb

You and them, same coin.

Hey, I am just pondering why we seemingly have anomalous results.
#35 | Posted by truthhurts

It's not anomalous if you take into account how much people HATE inflation. Pasting again the below article; maybe take a moment to look at it.

Basically, nothing changes the fact that people are upset about inflation, even if their wages doubled and the economy is roaring. Every time they go shopping and see that their groceries are 40% more expensive than a couple years ago, they become angry. And then they lash out at whichever party is in power.

Americans hate inflation, full stop
No traction for more positive economic developments, research says
June 20, 2024 Harvard News Gazette

The real reason?
You mean: America being stupid and throughout its history listening to any demagogue that shouted the longest and loudest?

Making the media lose credibility was one of the First Goals of the Far Right several decades ago.

#1 | Posted by Corky

The media did a lot of its own damage this cycle with its sanewashing of a most despicable candidate. Credibility is practically gone.

Trump's policies are terrible but people don't understand them.

People understood where Trump was coming from (allegedly coming from).

"I want to help workers so I'm getting rid of immigrants and putting down tariffs."

Idiots understand the first half but not the policies. So they vote Trump.

Harris had no core message on Inflation, Wages, or Taxes. She just said "I'm like Biden."

Low information votes are always the key. They go on Vibe. And Harris did nothing in that respect.

Dems are too stupid to message to low information voters, refuse to listen to the grassroots of the party, and think moving right will work when their progressive policies are actually supported by big majorities.

Lastly, Trump created enemies, Harris didn't. Trump gave voters someone to blame: Biden and Immigrants. Harris could have gone heavily after Corporations for price gouging to make it a labor vs big business campaign but...was too funded by big business as per usual.

After 4 years, the Biden-Harris administration is just now getting to dealing with price gouging.

They didn't do it because it's a stupid strategy that goes nowhere.

Trump won by making the population feel there are unfair foreign influences in economics and immigration, and they're going to lift everybody as a population. It focuses on what's fair externally.

Democrats lost by making their message be about subsets of the population with really muddled messaging about lifting everybody up. It focuses on what's unfair internally.

Unity against external forces always wins.

Facts

Inflation way down
Real wages up for the first time in decades, ahead of inflation
the populace should not want deflation-that would be a recession/depression

Biden did that

Whatever makes you feel good Truth.

American after American was telling the Democrat administration they were hurting, democrats told them to go ---- themselves.

Finally, the American public told Democrats to go ---- themselves.

Whatever makes you feel good Truth.

American after American was telling the Democrat administration they were hurting, democrats told them to go ---- themselves.

Finally, the American public told Democrats to go ---- themselves.

Posted by boaz at 2024-11-11 06:25 PM | Reply

The irony here is that they will hurt more under Trump. You got played and we will all suffer because of it.

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#19 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2024-11-10 02:07 AM
Democrats need to be looking into exactly what it is that minorities are needing.

Wrong solution to the wrong problem(s). They tried to do just that for longer than the last 4-8 years - relying on "identity politics" and keep trying to give more and more "rights" to more and more "minorities" - often at the expense of other "minorities" and that's exactly the mess they find themselves in now.

You have it backwards - Dems need to spend less time figuring out how to "protect" / give new "rights" to some "minorities" while ignoring or even intruding on the rights of and pissing off other "protected minorities" - including women who are not real minority class - and many who want to be treated as just "Americans" and have a robust middle and upper class, like Black, Hispanic, Asian millionaires and billionaires, small and large business owners etc.

They have the same issues other "Americans" have - unlike Dems trying to identify/classify everyone except "rich white male" as a minority that needs "protection" and "special rights" - their "communities" are like any others, they don't [any longer] need to fall in line with whatever other issues the Dem party wants/needs, to expand.

Treating them like children or second-class citizens, telling them they should have grievances against the "Whities" who they work, play, partner with, or employ, and that they need Dems to "protect" them, no longer works - "they're all grown up" now, and resent and reject pandering. They want a piece of the full pie, but Dems can only offer them scraps off the table, like "historic appointment of first 'minority' to the 'position' in administration" etc.

Same, BTW, applies to another "minority" but this one is shrinking instead of growing - unions, now at only about 6% of private sector, and whose membership is not in any way politically united or aligned with their leaders/bosses/capos - they are no longer the "influencers" they were decades ago. Yet Biden and Harris campaigns spent a lot of time (ads and rallies/interviews) to let us know they were endorsed by unions' bosses - with the same effect as celebrities or newspapers endorsements.

Building, and especially, keeping, a "majority minority" is tricky - you start having "inter-minority" conflicts... like trans rights vs women/girls rights, Arabs/Muslims vs Jews, Black/Native men/women vs White/Asian/Hispanic women, working poor vs business owners/professionals, well-educated vs less-/un-educated, LGBTQ+ vs straight, "protected young" vs "protected old" etc., etc., etc.

IOW, the more "minority" groups Dems take under their wing, and/or the more things/"rights" they find they need to "give" them, the higher the chances of conflict with other, likely larger, minority groups exist, and less the chances of amicably resolving them. Possibilities (of conflict) are endless!

Look at the exit polls link in #7 - see how "Moms class" voted (or DID NOT vote) - they have daughters who may not say it out loud in school ("intolerant," "ignorant"), but don't want to share their bathrooms with or compete against trans-women. Minor or non-issue to you, but to them it's a huge overreach and makes no sense... and an example of "class/group clash."

In effect, the "majority minority" coalition is always going to be subject to sort of political blackmail that's similar to social democracies in many countries - you need several parties to form a government and they all want to exact the price / concessions for doing so and joining the plurality winner - see France 2024 elections.
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Christ you're a simplistic moron. Nothing but lies. That is all you magats have.

Eat the truth

Inflation is way down
Real wages are up for the first time in decades, ahead of inflation
The populace should not want deflation-that would be a recession/depression
Real wages are up more than inflation, the American consumer has more money than they did 4 years ago.

These are facts

If magat scum cannot understand those facts and cannot understand that tariffs and concepts of a plan is dangerously stupid, that is on them

If the price of eggs is so ------- important to you that you throw away women's rights you should learn why the eggs are so expensive and who is doing what to solve the problem instead of voting for a liar who says he has concepts of a plan

But you know what, it is far more basic than that. It truly is quite simple

They know who ------ is. They know he raped a woman. They know he forcibly stuck his fingers inside her vagina against her will. They know that

They chose him anyway.

They know he tried to overthrow the government they chose him anyway.

They know he was convicted of 34 felonies, they chose him anyway

They know he stole government secrets (likely handed them over to our adversaries), they chose him anyway

And you don't seem to get it Boaz, when you write "Finally, the American public told Democrats to go ---- themselves." What you are saying is you choose a rapist, thief, insurrectionist felon who is going to destroy the country, break innumerable laws, tear up the constitution all while enriching himself by billions.

You choose that boaz

And that is why I hold you in contempt.

You're a disgusting human being boaz

And, again, I sincerely hope you get everything you wish for.

And, again boaz, you don't give 2 ----- about the constitution, yet another reason why I hold you and those like you in contempt.

6 days in and ------- is already pushing to bypass Senate power specified in the Constitution and he wants to unilaterally get rid of Birthright citizenship-a bedrock principle of the 14th Amendment.

So, never ever claim you love this country magat scum

Inflation way down

Silly, prices are still higher, it didn't lower prices.

Real wages up for the first time in decades, ahead of inflation

What are you talking about? Highest wages have ever been was Q2 2020, dropped and haven't recovered.

They dropped, and have since been stagnant in 82-84 dollars.
fred.stlouisfed.org

the populace should not want deflation-that would be a recession/depression

Perhaps depends you want to buy a house or sell a house.

Biden did that

No he didn't, he didn't build ----.

Trump won by making the population feel there are unfair foreign influences

No he didn't he won because he expressed common sense. What people were seeing vs what the media was telling them.
All Harris and Biden had to do was accept reality, and tell people the truth about what they were seeing.

Secure border? Border county 97% hispanic voted for Trump
Crime down? FBI adjusted their number, and not one county in CA voted against crime bill.
Inflation is Transitory? People saw with thier pocketbooks this was a lie

Everything the Biden/Harris administration and the media said about anything seemed to be a lie.

Just gaslighting and the people figured it out.

And to cap it all off.

People like myself donate $5-$25 dollars to the Democrat campaign, she had ads constantly playing on youtube.

Then the Kamala Harris' campaign pays:

- $10 Million to Beyonc
- $5 million to Megan Thee Stallion
- $2.3 Million to Lizzo
- $1.8 million for Eminem
- $1 million for Oprah

She also spent $100,000 building the set of the Call Her Daddy podcast.

OnTop of all that, the campaign is currently $18 MILLION in the hole.

IAMRUNT, your kid-diddling idol funded an insurrection.

www.usatoday.com

People like myself donate $5-$25 dollars to the Democrat campaign, she had ads constantly playing on youtube.

No, you didn't. NO ONE BELIEVES YOU.

"Inflation is down" is meaningless when housing costs in cities like Houston doubled during the Biden Administration. Houses that were 200 became 400. Loan rates skyrocketed.

And this site had the bellwether. When Tony Romo starts posting about how bad it's not, it's really really bad and we're going to lose on that issue. Every ------- time.

And then where the party of degrees in higher salaries so we're more insulated from inflation so of course we think it's great. The party of empathy has some major blind spots.

What?

How can you not believe our open borders, liberal, Chinese immigrant poster who hasn't been in America long enough to get his citizenship to legally vote?

He's an honest broker.

No cap.

housing costs in cities like Houston doubled during the Biden Administration.

Thanks Californians.

My only immediate thoughts are that VP Harris should have done a Hot Ones appearance, and Joe Rogan segment.

Trump won because he has a strong wife who helped him succeed.

Elon Musk branded the First Lady' after Melania doesn't appear in Trump family photo
www.the-independent.com

@46 | Posted by CutiePie

Perhaps I didn't state myself well. I was meaning that Dems might want to really look hard at the trend of minorities and other groups as to why they started leaving in 2020 despite all the things going on at the time. All these people are surprised now but like I said, Trump got a higher percentage of votes in every demographic in 2020 vs 2016 except one ..white males. And the Democrats should have been trying to figure out why back then.

I wasn't in any way suggesting Democrats give special rights to minorities If anything I was suggesting that maybe they need to figure out a different way of going about things.

Many of your points are exactly some of the things Democrats should be discussing.

If Democrats lost percentage points in every demographic except white males in 2020 despite the protests and the pandemic and then lost even more this time, I'm just saying they need to figure something out before 2028.

Talking about how terrible Trump is isn't going to help learn how to make changes. They might want to talk to people and find out why they voted the way they did. Real conversations.

If Trump wasn't such a turd, the Dems might have lost even more this time.

#56 partially. The Austin housing market is poised to give trumpers exactly what they wanted. Housing values are already down 20% off peak.

That big bump in appreciation is awesome when you're selling. In this stagnant Market everybody's just paying significantly higher property taxes without any change in rates to live in the same house. So they made sure to pass property tax relief two years ago so the state of politics could Dodge the bullet from homeowners. If you're not a homeowner, doom on you.

Damn, truthhurts is a sore loser.

Truthhurts is a sore loser?

Why? What did he do? Storm the capitol building in hopes of preventing certification?

" Damn, truthhurts is a sore loser.

#61 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2024-11-11 10:01 PM | FLAG: "

He's on the verge of stroking out.

#16 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You don't need to tell us, sport. We already know you're miserable, angry, bitter, spiteful, stupid people who fell for an obvious con.

Families struggling to put food on the table tipped the scales.

No, they didn't. The same number of cultist idiots voted for Trump 2.0 as they did the first time.

The Dems f&^%ed their coalition by trying to pander to conflicting groups instead of just being realistic about things.

"you're miserable, angry, bitter, spiteful"

enough about Truthurts.......

Finally, the American public told Democrats to go ---- themselves.

#44 | Posted by boaz

It was 50/50, -------.

Your side got nothing close to a mandate.

And what Truth said is true, you're just too stupid and full of orange kool aid to see the difference.

Hey Boaz, just like JPW said - here's the numbers:

74,224,319 in 2020, Trump lost
74,264,010 in 2024, Trump won

Trump gained all of 39,691 votes. That is a 0.00053 increase. You want to huff and puff and throw your weight around just understand you didn't get a mandate, and half of America is against you. We aren't going anywhere, just like you aren't going anywhere.

"Inflation is down" is meaningless when housing costs in cities like Houston doubled during the Biden Administration. Houses that were 200 became 400. Loan rates skyrocketed.

Had nothing to do with Biden.

And everyone crows about how the value of their house is a great thing, no? Especially in a place as shallow and vapid as Texas...

If Trump wasn't such a turd, the Dems might have lost even more this time.

#59 | Posted by Idependant97

This is 100% true.

DeSantis or Haley would have blown out the EC and popular votes. Without question.

If you're not a homeowner, doom on you.

What does this even mean?

Damn, truthhurts is a sore loser.

#61 | Posted by boaz

LOL this from someone who claimed for the last four years that 2020 was stolen...

F*&^ing idiot.

Why do MAGA morons always have a complete lack of self-awareness?

enough about Truthurts.......

#66 | Posted by eberly

Miserable, bitter and angry, maybe.

Understandable given half the electorate showed itself to be vile pieces of garbage.

That we elected that dumpster fire again should be the final nail in the coffin of American Exceptionalism.

Smoke break time at the Flying J. Don't forget to gargle before you go back to work.

Damn, truthhurts is a sore loser.

#61 | Posted by boaz

Justify voting for a rapist magat scum

-Miserable, bitter and angry, maybe.

not spiteful?

He's literally wishing cancer and dead relatives on people.

But he represents a lot of people here. I get it.

If you're not a homeowner, doom on you.

What does this even mean?

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's a term from the Vietnam war that means go ---- yourself.

Real estate gains concentrate into the hands of the middle and upper class, the costs to own have so greatly outpaced wages that home ownership isn't on the table anymore for a huge swathe of people, and this has never occurred more intensely than it did during the Biden admin. It turned purple counties bright red and erased 2 decades of Dem gains here.

-We aren't going anywhere, just like you aren't going anywhere.

exactly right.

At least we're being spared the "democratic party is dead" rhetoric.

that's what I see everytime the democrats win the white house. "The GOP is dead....forever"

LOL

It turned purple counties bright red and erased 2 decades of Dem gains here.

#77 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-12 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Really Sitz? It went that bad there? How bad did it go?

Allred did worse than Beto, despite the state's elimination of straight ticket voting. A lot worse. Than Beto.

Understandable given half the electorate showed itself to be vile pieces of garbage.

And right on cue:

Smoke break time at the Flying J. Don't forget to gargle before you go back to work.

#74 | Posted by fortfisher

not spiteful?

He's literally wishing cancer and dead relatives on people.

But he represents a lot of people here. I get it.

#76 | Posted by eberly

I haven't seen that. In my reading this thread and a few others this morning, I've seen them present factual information with proper context on the election to counter the wildly wrong interpretation from righties like boaz.

So like I said, miserable, bitter and angry? Yes.

It turned purple counties bright red and erased 2 decades of Dem gains here.

I have a big issue with this narrative. I posted Trump's numbers in post #68.
Pundits and others are wringing their hands "Oh the Nation is going red!"
I do not see that.

Think of Trump's block of voters as a red cube. It's the same height this election (won) and last election (lost).
Now put a blue cube next to it. In the previous election the blue cube was taller than the red - and people talked about a shift to blue.
This election that blue cube is shorter than the red cube. So now everyone's saying "oh my! there's a massive shift towards red!"

Nothing changed with the red cube. There aren't more "red" turning out to vote than before.

This was a problem with blue voters not showing up, and a slight shift - making up some Republican that shifted out.

It's a term from the Vietnam war that means go ---- yourself.

Gotcha.

#77 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Which is absurd given GOP policy isn't going to meaningfully change that and the markets are starting to take care of themselves.

It's almost as if people can't grasp just how massive a disruption something like a pandemic is, so they lash out at politicians who have zero to do with the problem to begin with.

Nothing changed with the red cube. There aren't more "red" turning out to vote than before.

This was a problem with blue voters not showing up, and a slight shift - making up some Republican that shifted out.

#82 | Posted by YAV

Yup.

The most impactful block this election wasn't third party voters, it was people who just refused to vote.

You're forgetting to account for the millions of republicans that died from covid. I remember Dr. JPW saying all the deaths were stupid republicans.

Which is absurd given GOP policy isn't going to meaningfully change that

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Depends on what gets implemented. They just had JD marching all over the country talking about the issue and articulating solutions.

They were pretty much what the Harris campaign was saying after it dropped rent control, but with less regulatory burden.

You're forgetting to account for the millions of republicans that died from covid.

Republican math. It never ceases to amuse. Total US deaths from COVID:
1,219,487.

The number never was "millions of republicans."
It was significantly higher in counties that were red, and the redder the deader, but no where near "millions." The other problem with your statement is that it ignores the early blue state death rates - which were exacerbated by Trump and Kushner refusing aid - idiotically calling COVID a "blue state problem" and not treating was beneficial to them.

Then redders, armed with what should have been some great knowledge from experience from the blue states became belligerent and managed, even in the age of vaccines, to catch up in the fatality rate.

So congrats, morons.

They just had JD marching all over the country talking about the issue and articulating solutions.

Like what?

All I recall is blaming immigrants and nebulous promises based on slashing regulations.

I remember Dr. JPW saying all the deaths were stupid republicans.

#85 | Posted by fortfisher

No, you don't you worthless pile of garbage.

There's a lot of things you said that I remember, Salty Dog.

I never heard JPW say that. That doesn't even make sense.
But I'm sure you "heard" that in your head when you read what he actually wrote,
You are driven by an oversized amygdala.

Like what?

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's the same on both sides. LIHTC, NHT, selling fed property for housing development, both pledged deregulation, both "have expressed concern about institutional investors in the housing market", both pledged money for first time buyers.

The only real differences are one side floating rent price controls and the other floating the housing supply increase by mass deportation. Differences in GSEs and the role of the FHA weren't really expressed but would probably differ.

Given that they're far more similar than different in the supply increase mechanisms, if one fails then the other would also fail.

" you didn't get a mandate, and half of America is against you. We aren't going anywhere, just like you aren't going anywhere.

#68 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-11-12 08:58 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

Substantial EC victory and have control of both houses. That's at least a bit of a mandate.

Rationalizations and setting up the justification for your party's horrendous plans doesn't diminish the facts and the truth; you don't have a majority of people in this nation supporting you.

Oh - and you don't have control of the House yet.
You are 4 short.

Substantial EC victory and have control of both houses. That's at least a bit of a mandate.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-12 11:14 AM | Reply

Not when just under 22% of the population voted for Trump it's not.

Substantial EC victory and have control of both houses. That's at least a bit of a mandate.

#93 | Posted by BellRinger

It's not at all a mandate.

There's by no means significant control of anything and the EC is a poor measure of it.

Given that they're far more similar than different in the supply increase mechanisms, if one fails then the other would also fail.

#92 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I think both are likely to fail.

Because the problems in the housing market go beyond simple supply issues.

" Oh - and you don't have control of the House yet.
You are 4 short.

#95 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-11-12 11:17 AM | FLAG: "

I haven't been following the House closely. I thought they'd kept it. Apparently I'm wrong.

" Because the problems in the housing market go beyond simple supply issues.

#98 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-11-12 11:23 AM | FLAG: "

I don't disagree. What other issues are you seeing that are driving up prices?

I don't disagree. What other issues are you seeing that are driving up prices?

#100 | Posted by BellRinger

VC/PE groups buying up all the homes in high demand areas. Which is the primary driver.

SCREAMING INTO THE VOID

While many members of the Republican Party have voiced support for preserving or expanding Social Security benefits, Republican lawmakers in Congress recently blocked a bill that would have allowed millions of Americans to receive higher monthly benefits. Experts weighed in on what might be the possible reasons behind such a decision.

You magat ----- think the republicans are going to help you

Obviously the recent spike in inflation has been a problem.

Twoothy

We can't afford to just keep increasing benefits. SS needs both more funding and a reduction in costs to keep the most program completely solvent.

A half point on each side (employer/employee) for funding and plus a very gradual raise in the age for eligibility I would do it.

LOL too ------- funny

Look at you justify republicans screwing over the working class and seniors.

So typically magat

Magat scum defending republicans not helping people that voted for them

Magat scum

Hey, stupid, I have a question for ya

How does one fight the effects of inflation that is most beneficial to middle and working class folks:

1. Deflate the costs of stuff
2. Increase their spending power
3. Pray to the spaghetti monster in the sky

BTW here are some facts

1. Inflation is down to pre covid levels
2. Biden, for the first time in decades oversaw a transfer of wealth from the top 1% to the working and middle class
3. Real wages outpaced inflation.

Keep those facts in mind when answering, dummy

Twoothy inserts talking points as "facts" and demands adherence to his terms in order to try and control a "discussion".

The current annual inflation rate is 2.4%, back to levels last seen in February 2021

www.bankrate.com

www.statista.com

In September 2024, inflation amounted to 2.4 percent, while wages grew by 4.7 percent.

www.federalreserve.gov

In 2021 bottom 50% held circa 40T (31% of wealth) vs 17T for top 1%
In 2024 bottom 50% holds circa 50T (33% of wealth) vs 20T for top 1%

iow a transfer from top to bottom

To summarize, jeff is a lying piece of ----

VC/PE groups buying up all the homes in high demand areas. Which is the primary driver.

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-12 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't make the list of real problems. Groups can't buy homes in the burbs where Primary Residence rules exist, which are common to most HOA.

Before Biden, Trump, Obama, all the way back to Bush, same problem. The constraints are defined by geography, regulations, interest rates, increasing home insurance premiums, and building costs.

Also why it's only a footnote for the campaigns, and not the focus of their housing policies which both revolve around increasing supply first and foremost.

I just provided jeff a chance to show his character and admit he was wrong

I won't hold my breath

Doesn't make the list of real problems.

So what would you say is the major issue?

I won't hold my breath

#112 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-12 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag

I'm sure you learned not to do that as a child, when you mom just let you pass out.

A half point on each side (employer/employee) for funding and plus a very gradual raise in the age for eligibility I would do it.

#105 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-12 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

And no more assistance for undocumented immigrants.

What assistance do undocumented immigrants receive you turd

You realize they pay taxes right?

And receive no benefits

------- magat scum are ignorant ---------

You will run Away like the magat scum bitch you are

You realize they pay taxes right?

And receive no benefits

------- magat scum are ignorant ---------

#116 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-12 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liar. Go look up the qualifications for getting SS or SSI benefits at .gov

Other than WIC, unauthorized immigrants are generally ineligible for federally funded supports except for emergency Medicaid, primary and preventive health care at Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHCs), free/reduced school lunch, and short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

www.migrationpolicy.org

Oh wait you are getting a ------ about some child getting a bowl of soup?

www.ssa.gov

See how undocumented immigrants don't qualify you piece of human garbage?

#118

Liar.

They're eligible if they're in the country working legally. But undocumented workers may not receive SS benefits. While they may be paying into the system under a SS# that does not actually belong to them, they will not be receiving checks from those payments when they are old enough to retire. They contribute to the system without benefit.

A noncitizen (also called an "alien" for immigration purposes) may be eligible for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) if he or she meets the requirements of the laws for noncitizens that went into effect on August 22, 1996. In general, beginning August 22, 1996, most noncitizens must meet two requirements to be potentially eligible for SSI.

most noncitizens must meet two requirements to be potentially eligible for SSI.

And what would those requirements be?

What assistance do undocumented immigrants receive you turd.

Undocumented? Even documented seekers get assistance

www.nyc.gov

You realize they pay taxes right?

Actually if here on asylum visa, or any visa you don't pay SS, neither the employer or employee.

Nonresident alien students, scholars, professors, teachers, trainees, researchers, and other aliens temporarily present in the United States in F-1,J-1,M-1 or Q-1 nonimmigrant status are exempt from Social Security / Medicare Taxes on wages paid to them for services performed within the United States.

So be specific.