I didn't realize your question was directed at me, but to answer "Can you be more specific?" My post was specific to #34, that your "trajectory" is unrealistic Is that specific enough?

I didn't even know that was a word ... ..

fantasist noun
/f ... nt'sst/
/f ... nt'sst/
(sometimes disapproving)
a person who likes to imagine that they are doing something they would like to do, or that something they would like to happen is happening, even though this is very unlikely

Yep, pretty much sums up #34. If the shoe fits ... . But maybe you are onto something, I did look it up.

"OK, that's the Big Picture. But what does the bill actually say?"

Isn't that my line?

The trajectory would be protest on bridge, more people research and discuss the issue and learn about the atrocities that Israel is CURRENTLY committing, those people contact their legislators to tell them to stop funding Israel or at a minimum condition aid to Israel. Israel seeing their last support abandoning them, does not invade Rafa, allows in aid, agrees to cease fire and starts to consider a two-state solution (instead of eliminating the Palestinian people).

See: MLK and the Civil Rights Act.

#34 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2024-04-23 09:17 PM | REPLY

You DO live in a fantasy world, don't you?

This old geezer was not in fear for his life, he thought he was Dirty Harry. He left the safety of his home and held her at gun point for awhile demanding she reveal who sent her and didn't shoot her until she tried to get away. He didn't call the police until after he shot her. He needs to do time. I don't care how old he is.

Question to all: what make is your car? Your spouse's? Where was it manufactured?

We can always count on Lamplighter for intellectually stimulating content. Thanks for taking the time to post this.

My sister was a very talented HS basketball player. She got several full ride scholarship offers, but not to her school of choice. She was immature and foolish to turn down those opportunities, but she looks back with no regrets. Friends who pursued careers as pro athletes were chewed up, spit out and destroyed, physically and emotionally, particularly the women. Hopefully Ms. Clark's experience is a sign of better things to come.

"President Biden has announced he will close the gun-show loophole"
Normally I read the articles and the comments and research the issue before commenting. In this case, it is entirely unnecessary, because my question (and presumably the answer) is so obvious. If Biden has the ability and authority co "close the gun show loophole" WHY THE ---- DID HE WAIT UNTIL THE FOURTH YEAR OF HIS PRESIDENCY TO DO SO? And I doubt there is a good answer to that question, 'cept election year politics.

Or you can do it the Florida way disenfranchise 1/3 of black men even though the state overwhelmingly voted to reinstate their voting rights. So, arrest them for petty crime, make it a felony, send them to jail for 6 months, charge them thousands of dollars to keep them incarcerated and not allow them to vote when their time is served cause they owe the state thousands in fees.

But republicans aren't racist --------.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-04-07 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep, thats the way it works, its an election year. So in June, the Republicans throw a BBQ, invite all the cops, even the Black ones. And then they tell us, Hey Y'all, round up 1/3 of the Black men in town, arrest them for petty crimes and then charge them with felonies. And then the Prosecutors, many of whom are also Black, they say, Sure! Sounds like a great idea! Lets do it! And to the Judges, they say , "Your Honor, make sure to sentence them all to six months so they will be tied up in November and can't vote" and the Judge says Sure, sounds like a great idea, but what about the jury? And then the cops say, "We got this, and just bring lotsa donuts to keep the jurors happy. Then Voila, no Black voters come Novemner. Dang Truthhurts, you have it all figured out!

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Periodically I have to remind Snoofy that I don't respond to him. Most of the time I keep him killfiled, so I don't see his posts at all, until somebody quotes something that gives me a reason to unblock him and look. In this case, a racist remark directed at me. Snoofy persists in cowardly personal attacks, all the while knowing I won't respond to him. That is a sign of a weak, impotent, toxic manchild. It is a shame, because he is intelligent and makes some interesting points, but his propensity for nasty, racist, mysogynist personal attacks stops me from engaging with him. It takes a sick person to do that, day in, day out, and I pity him.....It struck me that Snoofy is exactly like the incels described in the other thread:

"most women who spend much time walking around in public have experience with men who berate them for paying attention to something other than the man who is now, often out of nowhere, spewing invectives. Whatever the excuse the angry man concocts, the impetus is always the same: The eyes of a woman are directed at someone or something that is not him, and he is indignant over it. So he will make sure she has no choice but to look at him, either by getting in her face or " in these alarming New York cases " punching her. If he cannot capture her adoring gaze, well, he will make her stare at him in fear.

The author does a great job of tearing into the toxic masculinity of MAGA. I'm good with that.

But WHY does she find the need to promote the idea that this epidemic of mostly Black, mostly schizophrenic men randomly sucker punching innocent strangers has anything to do with the Republican Party, or MAGA? Does she think advancing that false narrative helps young women protect themselves from street violence? It doesn't

#58 No, that bill failed, but it was a bit performative, because it sought to outlaw things Florida doesn't do anyway, forced labor and unpaid labor. California, on the other hand, HAS forced labor and pays inmates them even less than Florida does. They had a similar bill fail.

Thats the thing, it doesn't appear that there WAS a lien, or a court order demanding payment that I can find. It is more like a bill, the kind that pretty much never gets paid. It has no teeth without a court order. Nobody pays these, and the state really doesn't even try, keeping track of these expenses is more of a bookkeeping thing. This is a problem for Shelby, however, because she is asking the state to give her an "exemption for ineligibility" to allow her to work as a health care provider. And it appears DCF is denying the exemption because of this outstanding bill, and they are in the wrong to deny it.

"It is possible these laws have been changed in recent years under the Republican leadership in the state. That would be great. But I need more information on the topic. Do you have a link to an article saying that DeSantis signed such changes into state law?"

I'm not following why you think that would be great? What changes are you talking about? These (two) laws have been on the books since the 90's. They haven't been changed. But I am also unsure is there are other new laws I am unaware of. It would be helpful if the articles would cite sources for the information they are providing.

#50 and #51 Good points. A couple caveats: States that pay inmates pay them very little. Most states that don't pay them also don't have forced labor. There are only a few states left that have forced labor, and you might be surprised at which ones they are. Employment is optional in Florida, inmates are not forced to work.

The article also says this, so I think the legislation you cited may not have gotten the votes to become law?:

The Fines & Fees Justice Center said, this last session, it worked with state legislators on a bill that would have allowed judges to do an "ability to pay assessment" when imposing fines and fees. It failed.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-04-08 07:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

The law I cited was enacted in 1996 and is still active law. It already includes an "ability to pay assessment", but again there is still question about whether it applies to state vs county:

"The local detention facility shall determine the financial status of prisoners for the purpose of paying from their income and assets all or a fair portion of their daily subsistence costs. In determining the financial status of prisoners, any income exempt by state or federal law shall be excluded. Consideration shall be given to the prisoner's ability to pay, the liability or potential liability of the prisoner to the victim or guardian or the estate of the victim, and his or her dependents."

"incarceration costs are 'based upon the length of the sentence imposed by the court at the time of sentencing.'"

I would like to see the rest of the order, and particularly the statute he cites for this, because is isn't consistent with anything I am aware of.

#39 I remember when these statutes became law, because there were many new documentation requirements that impacted my day to day work. I am looking for the other one now, but it was more pertinent to victim restitution and investigative costs. I don't recall a specific $50 amount, so that may be part of a third statute, or just determined as part of a state administrative rule. If you find a FSS number, please share. It is frustrating when the articles don't cite sources for the laws they refer to, always makes me wonder why they leave that out.

Whether the statute applies to state prison time vs county time is a very good question. There is also some confusion as to her actual court ordered 7 yrs (prison time) vs served sentence (10 mo youth offender bootcamp). The 7 years was likeley a suspended sentence (meaning it only gets served if they violate terms of the diversion program) and the 10 mos may have been considered county time.

I did a dive into public records for Shelby, and found a lot of conflicting information. The court record on this is a hot mess. Her case was closed and reopened numerous times, her sentence revisited and reconfigured. It doesn't appear that a lien or collection action was ever placed against her. At the same time, her "bill" was never cleared. This is not uncommon, the "bill" I speak of is something that appears on almost every inmates record. Pretty much nobody ever pays it, and no efforts are made to "collect" except in very unusual circumstances which I will save for another post, because I got involved in a couple cases where it was. (Very wealthy inmates, and oddly, people who win judgements against the state)

So in a nutshell, I don't know that the state is attempting to "collect" it, but Shelby is attempting to "clear" it, because she wants to work in healthcare, and to do so she must be found "exempt from disqualification". Apparently, she is being told she has to clear this bill to do so.....but I'm not sure that is actually required because the "bill" or "fee", does not appear to have been court ordered (See FS 435.07). If there is a court order or lien requiring her to pay the "bill", I haven't found it yet. Could be that DCF (in charge of the exemption) is demanding something that isn't actually required. Nevertheless, she took ti to the appeals court to contest her sentence, and lost her appeal. Possibly because technically the sentence itself wasn't the actual problem.

This appears to be a big mess of confusion and incompetence, and she is stuck right in the middle of it all. She appears to have a good attorney fighting for her, and hopefully she comes out ahead.

#36, I must correct myself, Lawton Chiles (Dem) was Governor from 1991-1998. It was Martinez (also a Democrat) before Chiles, not Askew. Florida had Democrat governors for the entire 20th century, and the laws involved in Shelby's case were signed into law during those years. The only point I am making here, is that those above who want to make this a partisan hatefest are on the wrong foot here. MANY states have laws like this. I know Oregon and Michigan do and I'm not going to research them all.

BTW Oregon also has a pay to stay law, but they charge $60 per day.

The "pay to stay" law was enacted in 1994. Florida's governor at the time was a Democrat, Reuben Askew. He was succeedd by Lawton Chiles, also a Democrat. Those of you who view Florida as a solid red state have very short memories.

Sounds interesting, but wondering how it would be kept clean. I'm imagining it something like very fine sandpaper.

"Take away the extremist Zionist supremacist ideology from the region and the US and Iran likely ease into a detente regarding past differences" Yep, the Joos caused everything, there was no violence in the Middle East before the Joos. We friends with Iran, 'cept for the Joos causin all sorta trouble.