144. With the state of the world right now, I'm more concerned with nukes in Trump's and Hegseth's hands than Iran's.

#160 | Posted by Dbt2

So, let's sum up

Iran will now be pursuing nukes

Saudi Arabia will be pursuing nukes

Likely Eygpt will pursue nukes, probably Turkey too.

How does this look now?

Dropping the bunker busters? Are you comfortable with Iran getting nuclear weapons?
#144 | Posted by BillJohnson
We dropped those, over a year ago. Did we fail?
We must have, or why are we bombimg them again.

#158 | Posted by snoofy

To be clear that was a step no president has taken in 47 years-attacking Iran directly.

How is that working out for us?

BTW it was Netanyahu's wet dream. To get the US intertwined with Israel.

Israel knows that if he got the US to participate in active bombing of Iran that moving forward if THEY attack Iran, Iran will now attack US. So we are now locked into Israel's foreign policy and military actions.

Only Piggy was too stupid to realize he was being played.

These are simple facts btw

Sitz one thing piggy cares about is being seen as a loser. He can hide wounded; he can lie about the strait being open. He cannot lie or hide the deaths of dozens of servicemembers. That is a number he cannot obfuscate (even though he is trying by designating the recent deaths unrelated to the Iran war deaths in March).

that is why Piggy taco'd last month.

he was ready to accelerate the bombing.

Iran hit Jordan and killed several servicemembers

It got through to Piggy that a. Iran could and would hit our bases throughout the ME if he went through with the bombing, b. there was nothing we could do about it.

So, he Taco'd

There has been a LOT of reporting to that end.

"Nothing is ever really settled when you're dealing with chronic liars."

Enough about President Piggy.

On the surface I have said over and over dealing with Iran is evitable.

Then you're an idiot

Plenty of adversaries have become allies through diplomacy

Plenty of conflicts have been resolved through negotiation

WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH IRAN THAT KEPT IRAN FROM GETTING NUKES.

That was achieved via diplomacy and negotiation

It's all so subjective and based on knowledge the administration is aware of that we aren't.

But you know what bill, you use this -------- all the time.

Iran pursuing a nuke is not "subjective"

there are experts who understand and track this sort of thing.

Iran's actions vis a vis nukes or missiles etc. work within systems.

Those systems have metrics which can be evaluated.

Many of those metrics are publicly available.

The FACT is that Iran gave up its enriched uranium during the JCPOA

They were abiding by the restrictions of the JCPOA

Independent monitors verified that Iran was abiding

Those are facts

Iran's actions since then are the logical, rational response to dangerous neighbors.

Iran has been repeatedly attacked by Israel and now the US

Iran is hearing President Piggy describe destroying Iran back to the stone ages

Iran is witnessing President Piggy giving Saudi Arabia nuclear technology.

It is rational for Iran to pursue nukes at this point.

Truth,
"Bill was America in the right to attack Iran"
I wouldn't word your question with "right to attack".
I would say was anything the US did to Iran "justified"?
It would depend on what you're talking about.
Dropping the bunker busters? Are you comfortable with Iran getting nuclear weapons?
It's all so subjective and based on knowledge the administration is aware of that we aren't.
I can guess there is nothing you would agree was justified so I don't know why you're really wanting me to answer it.

#144 | Posted by BillJohnson

No Bill, I asked you a simple, straightforward question.

Here it is again

Bill was America in the right to attack Iran without notice or declaration during negotiations with a sneak attack that murdered the Iranian leader in his home with his family around him?

You say this was justified.

I say your conclusions are immoral, illegal, unjust, unjustifiable.

And why we deserve to suffer.

FDR rightfully condemned Japan for the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor

What we did was infinitely worse.

Japan at least TRIED to put a DoW before FDR prior to the attack. Japan attacked military bases.

We did neither.

Anyone who cannot understand the essential right and wrong of this is beyond saving.

This refers to the attack on February 28th, 2026

Was it justified? If so what is the justification?

To prevent

When the famine hits it lands in poor countries like Iran. It's not new for them. Western powers starved them in 1942-43. There was food for Westerners, but not Persians.

#141 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2026-08-29 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:
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And the MAGA crowd doesn't care about refugees unless they wind up on the US-Mexico border. Us Dems aren't letting them in either, they can wait in Mexico and eventually get processed maybe sometime in the next decade.

#142 | Posted by sitzkrieg

So, America should take zero responsibility for the famine that our illegal war of aggression will cause?

That is the attitude of a sociopath.

The poor of Africa and SA and the far east did not choose this.

Less than 20% of the global nat gas, much of which gets redirected. That goes to Asia anyways, China, Iran's #1 backer. So if nothing moves through the Strait, Iran's allies are the ones that starve. The strategic result is more hardened, buried pipelines. Phosphorous moves in a slurry through pipelines. Dry bulk fertilizer gets redirected through multi-modal shipping. The fertilizer plants move to the Eastern receiving end of ADCOP and Petroline.
What kind of child thinks the Sunni are going to let their economies be held hostage by Shia in the long run?

#137 | Posted by sitzkrieg

What kind of idiot thinks taking 30 or 20 or even 10% of the world's fertilizer supply offline is not going to cause widespread famine?

A year or 2 from now magat scum will be whining about the mass influx of refugees and wonder why

Iran's "vast stockpile of missiles" doesn't exist anymore. It's a very modest stockpile of missiles with a launch rate that went from shock and awe with hundreds of launches to < 10 missile volleys. Nobody is exempt from the depleted burn rate curve.

#138 | Posted by sitzkrieg

It took Iran how many missiles to get Piggy to taco last month during tit-for-tat?

It took a few hitting the base in Jordan killing US troops for Piggy to turn tail and run.

You don't understand the asymmetric warfare in play, clearly.

BTW even US intelligence analysis says Iran has 70% of their prewar levels. I suspect much higher.

Doesn't include drones

Bill was America in the right to attack Iran without notice or declaration during negotiations with a sneak attack that murdered the Iranian leader in his home with his family around him?

A simple yes or no will suffice

Six months ago, Iran was still a dangerous country and a problem that eventually had to be dealt with.

Why?

Be specific

In what way was a third rate military and second rate government a danger to a nuclear armed country like the US?

I wonder if you're smart enough to recognize that piggy walked himself into the exact only way Iran posed a threat to us

Why does Trump need to sell the war?

We tell the president what to do?

#82 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

It's sad that this person has the power to vote

Such a basic misunderstanding of the constitution

Such a basic misunderstanding of democracy be it called a republic or whatever

Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on this VERY depressing topic

50 % of the global urea

33 % of the fertilizer

up to 50 % of the sulfur which is used for even MORE fertilizer

We are talking volumes that will devastate food poor nations.

we have lost at least 1 growing season

we are losing a 2nd.

This ---- snowballs

Many MANY people live on a "just in time" food production schedule

Any delay will cause the deaths of thousands

Terminals, buried pipelines, hardened existing sites, etc. I see the articles about how Iran is the supreme power of the region. They don't seem to take into account the strategic adjustments by economies that dwarf Iran's. Oil facilities are being dressed in cope cages built like a nascar catch fence, compared to the rusty chainlink Russians weld to their tanks and can't afford for their own infrastructure.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg a

Now do fertilizer and natural gas and phosphorus

20 mil barrels of oil through strait pre war

3.5 to 5 barrels through alternate pipelines now

can go up to 7 mil barrels per day

NOOWWW
roughly 220,000 tons of nitrogen fertilizer moved through the strait every single day.

aint gonna pump ---- through pipes now are you

Global Share30 to 33 percent of all internationally traded fertilizer went through this path.Up to 50 percent of global urea, which is a common nitrogen fertilizer used for crops like corn and wheat.Nearly 50 percent of sulfur transported by ships, which is a key ingredient used to make other farm fertilizers.

It's not to let this turn into another years-long war with no clear end.
Define the objective. Do what it takes to achieve it.
Get 'er done.
So does your Vietnam analogy mean you want Trump to finish this?

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson

What is the US' strategic goal in Piggy's illegal Iran war?

Iran's strategic goals are clear.

1. Provide deterrence against further aggression against them by Israel and the US
2. Lifting of sanctions
3. Increase revenue
4. Israel withdraw from Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and the West Bank.

Goal 1 has been achieved
Goal 2 will inevitably occur as nations will need to deal with Iran for oil in the long term
Goal 3 is being developed with their fees for passage of the Strait
Goal 4 is still to be effected.

To be clear, Piggy was ready a month ago to unleash a very heavy attack against Iran.

Iran hit a base of ours in Jordan, hard, killing multiple troops.

that caused Piggy to TACO

Because we had no defense to Iran's missiles

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS????????

From the article:
"It has gone head-to-head with the superpower and Israel, withstood a pounding from their most advanced weapons."
Iran has not gone "head-to-head" with the US. The US has the military capability to level Iran if it chose to fully unleash it.
Instead, the US has deliberately restrained itself, repeatedly limiting its military response while leaving the door open for Iran to negotiate in earnest.
Whoever wrote this is repeating Tehran's spin.

#56 | Posted by BillJohnson

You are simply wrong

The US and Israel hit Iran with everything they could.

Iran withstood it

We are running out of long distance munitions, meaning we would have to fly closer in, meaning far more likely to take casualties.

And to what end?

We do not have the munitions to damage or destroy their missile stockpiles

Read that again

We do not have the munitions to damage or destroy their missile stockpiles

Nothing in our arsenal, NOT EVEN NUKES

Can damage or destroy their missile stockpiles.

They are buried deep in numerous mountain strongholds

All of those missiles will hit our bases, hard, like they have done.

So, again, there is absolutely nothing we can do from the air.

Unless you want to raze Tehran to the ground

Do you want to raze Tehran to the ground?

That will take a lot of bombs by the way with our planes flying OVER Iran taking hits

So, numbnuts
what is your strategy to level Iran?

and government shouldn't make every little operation carry the same regulatory burden as a full-scale business.
If he's actually creating a health or safety hazard, deal with the hazard.

Regulatory burden
Like no health or safety hazard
that sort of regulatory burden
the burden to not cause health or safety hazards

Feaking morons

She was a class act through and through.

RIP

#18 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2026-08-25 03:31 PM | REPLY

Especially when she stood up for trans people

People could learn a great deal from her example

It is one thing all Americans of all stripes can agree on Dolly was a great woman and an American treasure

One thing about her I always admired was her assumed faith

I have no idea how religious a person she was but suspect religion was important to her

She acted like a religious person should act. Not with flaunting her faith but living by its preceptsr of kindness and generosity and humility

She was a true class act a great business woman ahead of her time a tremendous performer and the world is a lesser place for her leaving

May her family and friends gain comfort from the knowledge of the good she put in the world and her lasting legacy of kindness and generosity

Dolly, you will be missed

How come zero women were promoted to admiral?

You know this obsession will turn to hate some day

It's inevitable

That will be fun to watch

Do you seriously think Westboro represents evangelical Christianity?
#281 | Posted by BillJohnson

In many ways they are refreshingly honest in their bigotry and hatred.

A lot of evangelicals certainly applaud pain inflicted on marginalized groups.