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#9 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-01 01:41 PM | Reply
It's a No Brainer that the Oil and Gas Lobby (i.e. the U.S. auto industry) wants them dead.
"Oil and Gas Lobby" is actually a "Big Energy" lobby - yes, "Big Oil and Gas," including Saudi Aramco, are primary participants in research and development of "green and blue hydrogen" and other renewable clean energy sources.
Also, "Big Energy" is primary beneficiary of "modern electrification" political efforts, because most electricity in the US (~84.5%) is derived from so-called "fossil fuels," nuclear and hydroelectricity, while "intermittent renewables" (wind and solar, which incur additional and "not clean" recurring storage expenses) have been stuck at about 14%... and because their actual "new capacity" requires increase in backup "fossil fuel" plants:
Total - all sources - 4,178 Billion kWh
Fossil fuels (total) . 60.0%
. Natural gas ....... 43.2%
. Coal .............. 16.3%
. Petroleum (total)... 0.5%
Nuclear ............. 18.7%
Hydropower ............ 5.8%
Wind ................. 10.1%
Solar (total) ......... 3.9%
Biomass (total) ....... 1.1%
Geothermal ............ 0.4%
"Utility-scale solar has almost quadrupled in the past decade, rising from 5% to almost 20% of the grid. Yet it has not displaced thermal generation, which rose from 28% to 36% of the grid. We even wonder whether wind and solar are entrenching natural gas generators that can backstop their daily, weekly and even seasonal volatility." - report: thundersaidenergy.com
So, increasing energy supply with intermittent "renewables" is impossible without first increasing energy supply with firm power (nuclear, hydrogen, natgas, etc.) - which raises the question why the intermittent utility-scale wind and solar (at cost of 2,900-4,200 acres/GW) may be needed at all, or ever becomes TCO-cost-effective, except possibly in very special circumstances.
Hydropower supplied about 16% of the world's energy in 2020, in the US it's less than 6% and pretty much limited to current capacity due to geography.
Nuclear power supplied 10.5% of world electricity in 2020, the US has just under 19%, and the US Energy Secretary recently finally called for restarting "retired" and building more nuke plants. Many other countries, including Japan and European countries are following the suite and rethinking their reliance on "intermittent renewables" in favor of nuclear power.
There are also designs for floating nuclear power plants (FNPPs), which don't produce a huge amount of energy, but are safe and mobile, so often can provide power where needed, e.g., in cases of natural disasters, to power temporary or long-term offshore projects, such as desalination or fishing stations or oil and gas production, building artificial islands, or where the land-based power plant would be too difficult or too costly to build.
World's first FNPP ("proof of concept") was built in 1967, in a converted Liberty ship. Russia's first FNPP "Akademik Lomonosov" started operations in 2019. China had FNPP plans since 2016, which have been suspended for a while, but some "baby reactors" may soon be deployed in South China Sea.
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#17 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-02 05:54 AM
There is plenty of info on YouTube that would refute much of what...
... And seriously CutiePie, citing and article from a "energy mag" called 'Thundersaidenergy.com'? Oh yeah, that sounds reputable!
Sounds like a mix between Toxic Masculinity and the Oil Lobby...Lol, which probably figures since it is likely a GOP Oil Lobby sponsored rag...
Maybe if you were "suppposed to be an adult" you would spent a few minutes researching what the reputable consultancy firm they are, instead of getting your "information" from Youtube - enough said right there!
Most of the numbers I took from DOE. The rest of the info is from other official government sources - you can verify all of them if you can bother to check them. The report by Thunder was requested by California Council on Science and Technology (CCST) as part of their CCST - KEY CHALLENGES for CA ENERGY FUTURE commission investigation and recommendations:
ccst.us - CCST - KEY CHALLENGES for CA ENERGY FUTURE - [PDF, 108pgs]
ccst.us - CCST - Overview
See more here about "reports" on Green Energy (BTW, Green Energy includes Nuclear and Hydropower (and sometimes NG), which are not "intermittent renewables," and hydropower cannot really expand, so its percentage of total energy generated and consumed will keep shrinking) : drudge.com - drudge.com/read-comment/275691/7020262
"Jul 1, 2020 " Thunder Said Energy (TSE) is a leading research consultancy focusing on energy technologies and the energy transition into disruptive energy technologies, founded in 2019 by Wall Street energy analyst Rob West, CFA"
clcouncil.org - Analysis of Climate Leadership Council Proposal | Summary of Key Findings - PDF (4 pgs)
|------- "By driving technological innovation, the CLC plan would reduce US CO2 emissions by 57% by 2035 (vs. 2005), unlock $1.4tn of new investment, create 1.6M jobs and enhance US competitiveness." -------|
This is only 4 pages PDF (shorter than watching most YT videos of "ill repute," and it has colorful charts and pictures even a child can understand!) - if you still think these reports are financed by "Big Oil" lobby, then you are not likely to be an adult.
www.energy.gov - Energy Shot Summit, August 2021
|------- "In my travels around the world I can't name a country that hasn't expressed excitement about hydrogen. From Saudi Arabia to India to Germany to Japan we're setting up hydrogen partnerships around the world to advance this critical technology that every country understands has the opportunity to play a vital role in the clean energy transition," said John Kerry, special presidential envoy for climate, in August 2021 at Hydrogen Shot Summit. -------|
www.hydrogeninsight.com - 'Nobody wants to pay for it' | ExxonMobil and Aramco CEOs say green hydrogen is too expensive to replace fossil fuels
|------- Mar 19, 2024 " Aramco CEO Amin Nasser told delegates that, in energy terms, the cost of green H2 amounted to the equivalent of $400 per barrel of oil...
Exxon boss also said his company would not produce blue H2 if it could not access 45V production tax credits.
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Nobody wants to pay for it' | ExxonMobil and Aramco CEOs say green hydrogen is too expensive to replace fossil fuels...
You answered my question. Letting Oil Execs and the Oil Lobby say, "No one wants to pay for it",
is like letting Hannibal Lector be a food critic at a Cannibal Convention. OF COURSE THAT IS WHAT
THEY ARE GOING TO SAY.
Hey, here is an idea. You try to protect your oil stocks and try to convince one of your MAGA friends
(who has no brain) of what you want them to think, and I will continue to do independent research and
devote my money where I want to spend it.
fyi...A hydrogen engine has already been developed by Toyota.
www.youtube.com
Green energy surpassed fossil fuel energy for the first time in America.
www.eia.gov
See, I can link articles to support my research too. And they weren't the Oil Lobby generated Dreck that you posted...
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#20 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-07-02 08:54 AM
Green energy surpassed fossil fuel energy for the first time in America.
www.eia.gov
See, I can link articles to support my research too. And they weren't the Oil Lobby generated Dreck that you posted...
Yes, you can link to "your research" but apparently you couldn't read "your research" or my post:
I specifically pointed out that what some call Green Energy includes Nuclear, Hydropower and NG (Natural Gas), not the "intermittent renewables" wind and solar.
From your link:
|------- "In 2022, generation from renewable sources - wind, solar, hydro, biomass, and geothermal - surpassed coal-fired generation in the electric power sector for the first time. Renewable generation surpassed nuclear generation for the first time in 2021 and continued to provide more electricity than nuclear generation last year.
Natural gas remained the largest source of U.S. electricity generation, increasing from a 37% share of U.S. generation in 2021 to 39% in 2022. The share of coal-fired generation decreased from 23% in 2021 to 20% in 2022 as a number of coal-fired power plants retired and the remaining plants were used less. The share of nuclear generation decreased from 20% in 2021 to 19% in 2022, following the Palisades nuclear power plant's retirement in May 2022. The combined wind and solar share of total generation increased from 12% in 2021 to 14% in 2022. Hydropower generation remained unchanged, at 6%, in 2022. The shares for biomass and geothermal sources remained unchanged, at less than 1%.
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Now look at the "Drek that you posted" and it (from 2022) matches almost exactly the numbers that I posted (for 2023) - your article was just playing with words describing "Green Energy" and comparing combined numbers for all "renewables" to either single coal- or single nuclear-generated power.
fyi...A hydrogen engine has already been developed by Toyota. www.youtube.com
FYI: "In 1807 Franois Isaac de Rivaz designed the first hydrogen-fueled internal combustion engine. In 1965, Roger E. Billings, then a high school student, converted a Model A to run on hydrogen."
Here is better information, should you choose to accept it, and gosh! maybe even read it (it also has pictures!) :
www.fastechus.com - The Past, Present and Future of Hydrogen Vehicles: 2023 Update | Renewable Energy - April 4, 2023
Hey, here is an idea. You try to protect your oil stocks and try to convince one of your MAGA friends (who has no brain)
Here's a better idea. Learn to read understand and add numbers, and stop beating the strawmen about my non-existent MAGA friends and oil stocks, and maybe some people here will start thinking that you are supposed to be an adult.
After you stop beating the dead strawmen, go and watch your YT videos, where you get all your "information."
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#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-07-02 12:40 PM
cutiepie you realize no one reads your word walls, right?
I know, right?
Yes, I have noticed the severe shortage of Adderall, Ritalin and other ADHD meds and the [consequent(?)] inability of "no one" on this "most august site" to read, let alone comprehend, more than one or two sentences... if that.
www.nbcnews.com - 'I'm fed up': Frustrations grow as ADHD drug shortage continues
For "no one" suffering from shortages, may I suggest alternatives - www.ashleytreatment.org - so that "no one" can once again read "word walls" like articles, books, manuals, instructions etc.? That is, if "no one" can get this far to read this sentence.
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