Thursday, September 19, 2024

Harris Notes Expense, Heartbreak of Traveling for Abortion

Vice President Kamala Harris on Wednesday described in detail what it's like for many women to have to travel out of their home state to access abortion care, marking the first time in recent memory that such a prominent political figure has magnified the real-life hurdles to obtaining care.

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In a speech at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute's leadership conference, the Democratic presidential nominee provided a riveting warning about what could happen to the country if her rival, former President Donald Trump, wins the election in November.

She broke down, step-by-step, what traveling for abortion care really looks like. Harris noted that around 40% of Latinas in the U.S. live in states that have enacted abortion restrictions since the repeal of federal abortion protections.

"Understand that the majority of women who seek abortion care are mothers. Understand what that means for her," Harris said to the crowd in Washington, D.C. Around 55% of women who have an abortion have already had one or more births, research shows.

"So, she's got to now travel to another state - God help her that she has some extra money to pay for that plane ticket. She's got to figure out what to do with her kids - God help her if she has affordable child care," she continued. "Imagine what that means: She has to leave her home to go to an airport, stand in a TSA [airport security] line - like, think about this."

"On any public policy, you have to ask: How is this going to affect a real person?" she said. "Go through the details."

Harris emphasized how terrifying it is for women to travel to a city they've never visited and receive medical care from a doctor they've never met. "She's going to have to get right back to the airport because she [has] got to get back to those kids. And it's not like her best friend can go with her because her best friend is probably taking care of the kids," Harris said. "All because these people have decided they're in a better position to tell her what's in her best interest than she is. ... It's just simply wrong."

"One does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government should not be telling her what to do," Harris said on Wednesday to a huge round of applause. "If she chooses, she will talk with her priest, her pastor, her rabbi, her imam, but not the government telling her what to do."

Being able to effectively tell a story from start to finish is a major asset for anyone seeking public office when talking to their constituency. Putting the listener into the shoes of the protagonist is an artform not all politicians are good at, much less to the point of crystallizing both the physical and emotional impacts they're being forced to deal with by outside entities controlling their own personal lives.

Kamala needs to keep repeating this chronology over and over again up until election day so that no woman is mistaken what the loss of Roe means to them, their daughters and granddaughters, along with every woman in this nation.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-19 08:24 AM

If dotard is elected you can look for a nationwide abortion ban.

Period.

That is why he would not answer the question in the debate.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-19 09:11 AM

My personal feelings aren't that the GOP will push for a bill banning abortion, it's that this SCOTUS will take a case regarding the Comstock Act which will codify into the present that existent law indeed bans the interstate sales and transfer of any and all things which can be used to perform abortions - which in practice makes it illegal even in states where abortion is enshrined in their constitutions.

That's the big flex the anti-abortion faction is counting on, not Congressional action because it's highly unlikely any anti-abortion bill would pass cloture in the Senate.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-19 09:33 AM

With abortion in focus, Harris's event with Oprah prompts cheers and tears

A star-studded online rally designed to showcase the enthusiasm and energy behind Vice President Kamala Harris's campaign turned somber as host Oprah Winfrey introduced the mother of a woman who died after waiting for health care in a state that has banned most abortions.

"You're looking at a mother that is broken," said Shanette Williams, whose daughter, Amber Thurman, died in what was deemed a "preventable" death stemming from Georgia's abortion restrictions. "The worst pain ever that a mother, that a parent, could ever feel, for her father and myself and the family - you're looking at it."

Several people in the live audience were wiping their eyes by the time Thurman's family members, including two sisters, finished speaking. The emotional moment prompted Harris to deliver some of her most forceful lines of the event - which over nearly 100 minutes turned the vice president's campaign into a modern-day version of Winfrey's popular daytime talk show.

"Amber's story highlights the fact that, among everything that is wrong with these bans and what has happened in terms of the overturning of Roe v. Wade, it's a health-care crisis," Harris said after lambasting Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump for making such bans possible. "It's a health-care crisis that affects the patient and the profession."

#4 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-20 11:05 AM

I hate to root for bad things to happen but unfortunately that's how this is going to turn the ship on abortion.....and ultimately help Harris in this election.

Harris has to make political hay out of this tragedy.

Harris also needs to point out the absence of republicans running on the current status of abortion rights.

"You'll notice no republicans are taking credit for the removal of abortion rights and obviously they don't want their fingerprints on this dead woman but her blood is on their hands"

What is the republican retort for such rhetoric? Do they have a defense for the current status of abortion rights?

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-20 11:20 AM

What is the republican retort for such rhetoric? Do they have a defense for the current status of abortion rights?

#5 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I believe it was "The man in the TV says the Nimigrants are eating our pets!"

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-20 11:26 AM

6

Exactly. The democrats can hammer that as well. "You wonder why Trump is manufacturing a crisis of immigration?? Because he's scared of you realizing what he's done to abortion rights and how it's impacting women"

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-20 11:45 AM

Do they have a defense for the current status of abortion rights?

Absolutely not, and it only cements the fact that the GOP is not the party of life at all, they're the party wanting to control other people's lives, period.

And a larger truth surrounding abortion is the absolute fact Joe Biden has never been comfortable championing a pro choice message because deep down it opposes his Catholic faith that he holds so dear. He could talk about the overturning of Roe but he never tried to personalize the abortion bans like Harris has been able to.

And again, Danforth was right from the beginning. Many men who back Trump don't hear the cries of women affected by the loss of their bodily autonomy, but I believe their voices are undeniable as well as growing louder as election day nears. And the hardest burdens have been placed upon women and girls who don't have the resources to travel out of state to receive the healthcare services and post-miscarriage care so many need and can no longer receive in their own local hospitals and clinics solely based on where they live and what predominantly older men have now enshrined into law.

It's been said repeatedly - and Sen. Harris so bluntly forced Justice Kavanaugh to admit in his committee testimony - that there are no laws restricting healthcare services for men, and I can't envision even anyone of seriousness considering trying to regulate male emissions. And sperm are actually alive and mobile as anyone can observe under a microscope, yet their "life" and the potentiality of them combining with ovum and then gestating isn't regulated at all and no one has ever posited they should be.

Regardless, for women, this really is a matter of life and death and one aspect of abortion bans that lead to the death of mothers is that her children already living have their lives negatively impacted should that mother die or suffer injury because the law places the rights of "possible life" over the lives of children already born and living.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-20 11:58 AM

Kamala wants abortion up to the moment of birth with no restrictions.

#9 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-21 12:37 AM

Kamala wants abortion up to the moment of birth with no restrictions.

#9 | Posted by visitor_

Since it would be to save the life of the mother, one wonders why you don't support the same thing.

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-09-21 01:06 AM

You are incorrect. Kamala supports abortion up to time of birth with no restrictions of any kind.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-21 01:36 AM

#11
And you are, simply put, a liar.

But so are your heroes.

#12 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-09-21 06:05 AM

Walz signed a bill to allow abortion up to the minute of live birth. No restrictions on term. Harris has pledged to replicate that law nationwide. Weird how the press never asks her about her unpopular extremist views on abortion.

#13 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-21 10:09 AM

Kamala wants abortion up to the moment of birth with no restrictions.

#9 | Posted by visitor_

Perhaps you could provide an example of a woman who terminated a pregnancy in the 3rd trimester whose life wasn't in danger or the fetus had a severe or fatal anomaly.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-09-21 11:13 AM

Walz signed a bill to allow abortion up to the minute of live birth. No restrictions on term.

Just another out of context, ignorant remark showing no realization of life's complexities that really has nothing to do with selective abortion. The law is to protect healthcare providers grappling with fetuses with known maladies incompatible with life. IE., these children cannot survive long because their bodies are incompatible with ex-vitro life.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-21 12:57 PM

No restrictions on term. None.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-21 02:08 PM

youre a liar, visitor.

#17 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-21 02:09 PM

Visiturd supports the use of AR-15s to abort classrooms full of 1st graders.

#18 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-21 02:16 PM

List them.

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-21 02:23 PM

youre a liar, visitor.

Not on this he isn't, but I explained the context in #15. The reason there is no restriction whatsoever on abortion is because the law codifies that the mother's own life is superior to that of the fetus', unlike current GOP abortion laws already on the books.

No doctor is going to perform a selective abortion on an otherwise viable fetus at full-term gestation. This is the implication imbeciles and tools like Visitor make for those ignorant of what the law really means.

What this moron keeps referring to is the law protecting doctors and nurses from being charged for crimes if a wanted fetus - which cannot and will not survive due to physical issues - survives any doctor-ordered late term abortion due to concerns for the mother's own life, and said fetus isn't given life extending care and is allowed to expire naturally.

This process is criminalized in many states and Walz and the legislature made certain that it wouldn't be in Minnesota.

Sometimes fetus' abnormalities aren't discovered before the point of viability and the mothers are forced to carry these children to term, knowing that shortly after birth they will die because their bodies are incompatible with life. Even rarer, some fetuses might threaten their mother's own safety and doctors recommend late term abortions solely to save or protect these mothers with full knowledge that the fetus is non-viable and will expire due to its deformities or lack or malfunctioning of critical organs.

#20 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-21 02:54 PM

leaving out the context on purpose is a lie.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-21 03:04 PM

Yet kamala won't support any term restriction even if it allows for medically indicated aborts. She wants no restrictions based on term. None.

#22 | Posted by visitor_ at 2024-09-21 03:24 PM

She wants no restrictions based on term. None.

And it's been explained to you over and over. Why keep implying the same wrong insinuation over and over without ever saying WHY they support no restrictions?

Again, no one supports selective abortions up to the moment of birth. Current anti-abortion laws make no distinctions, simply banning the procedure regardless of either the fetus' ex vitro viability or the lack of nor the mother's health.

Americans aren't as dumb as you Visitor. If they really thought the Democratic ticket was for selective abortion up to birth, no one would support them.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-21 03:33 PM

Meanwhile a cartoon...

Trump explains his position on abortion
www.usnews.com

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 04:10 PM

"youre a liar, visitor."

Not on this he isn't

Yes he is. There were restrictions under Roe v Wade.

And Kamala's position is that she supported Roe v. Wade which recognized that the decision whether to continue or end a pregnancy belongs to the individual, not the government.

Roe v Wade also held that the right to abortion is not absolute and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and prenatal life. It resolved these competing interests by announcing a pregnancy "trimester timetable" to govern all abortion regulations in the United States.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-21 06:25 PM

She wants no restrictions based on term. None.

#22 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

I will just assume you are just lying as usual unless you can provide a direct quote where she has said that.

Kamala supports Roe v Wade which in spite of you pro death advocates did allow for the government to "interfere" if they had a "compelling interest ". But the proof was on the government to prove that. Not on the mother, she did not have to prove to the government she needed an abortion. States could still pass abortion laws (if they felt they had a compelling interest) but they still had to be allowed under roe v wade.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-21 06:35 PM

There were restrictions under Roe v Wade.

I think this is getting confusing. Visitor stated that the Minnesota law does not contain any restrictions up to the point of birth. I believe that is correct. This law is post-Roe's overturning.

But candidly, I don't know whether the restrictions under Roe are also a part of the MN law. I've read that the "no restrictions up to birth" language was based on not restricting doctors, nurses, and service providers from doing any and all things necessary to protect and save the woman's life if threatened by the pregnancy, no matter at what point.

I hope that makes more sense. I've continued to say no one is advocating selective abortions up to the point of natural birth, only procedures doctors deem necessary to protect the mother's life, health and future fertility, if possible.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-21 06:39 PM

Tony.

I am not a lawyer but I can post Roe V Wade and I can post Kamala's positions on abortion. And Kamala has supported Roe V Wade. And I can find no statement by Kamala where she has said she wants no restrictions based on term.

Under Roe v Wade:
The Supreme Court required the state to justify any interference with the right to access abortion by showing that it had a "compelling interest," and held that no interest was compelling enough to ban abortion before viability.

After the point of viability, the state could ban abortion or take other steps to promote its interest in protecting the fetus. Even after that point, however, abortion must be permitted to protect a patient's life and health.

reproductiverights.org

I believe that visitor is purposefully lying to try and muddle the issue. As usual.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-09-21 06:58 PM

#28

I stand corrected in regards to Kamala and her support of Roe.

Visitor was indeed lying, as usual.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-21 07:07 PM

"Yet kamala won't support any term restriction even if it allows for medically indicated aborts. She wants no restrictions based on term. None." - #22 | Posted by visitor_
Good for Kamala. There should be zero restrictions, because it is no one's business other than the woman, her doctor and her family. There's not enough room in a doctor's exam room for the woman, the doctor and the government.
In the entirety of modern human history, no woman has willingly sought an abortion for a wanted child. Not at 6 hours. Not at 6 days. Not at 6 weeks. Not at 6 months. Not ever. WITH ONE IMPORTANT EXCEPTION ...

... IMPORTANT EXCEPTION The most tragic abortions are for women carrying a wanted child but find out that their personal health is at risk. Or, the wanted child has no chance to live outside of the womb. Or that it is an ectopic pregnancy. Or their chance for a future child is jeopardized.

These are tragic circumstances that, yes, sometimes only become apparent at close to 9 months. This is a fact, a very tragic fact, but a fact, nonetheless. It is also a fact that an abortion is sometimes the only option available for the woman and her family in this tragic event in their lives.

Face reality, visitor_

You're welcome.

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2024-09-21 10:04 PM

@#26 ... I will just assume you are just lying as usual unless you can provide a direct quote where she has said that. ...

Good luck with that "direct quote" thing.

I've been trying to get that current alias (and, btw, the Visitor alias) to post any manner of substantiation of what it says.

At the point, I have two opinions...

1) the aliases are a Russian bot designated to disrupt, and not to contribute.

2) well, I got nothing else ...

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 10:25 PM

@#31 ... (and, btw, the Visitor alias) ...

Oops, it is difficult to keep track of the apparent trolls.

My #31 should be...

(and, btw, the Robson alias)

Both the Visitor and Robson aliases seemsto eschew, when queried, any many of substantiation for the many, oh so many, comments they post.

For me, that is a (significant?) part of the definition of "troll."


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 10:30 PM

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