Friday, November 01, 2024

A noncitizen voted in Michigan

Let me get this out of the way. I am not a proponent of election conspiracy theories, and I do not think Donald Trump won the 2020 presidential election. I believe Trump's allegations of widespread voter fraud worked to undermine confidence in elections, especially among his followers. However, Democrats and the legacy news media have taken the conversation too far the other way by painting those who want to increase the security of our elections in any way as kooky conspiracy theorists. It should be a bipartisan aim to ensure our elections are only for U.S. citizens

Posted by BellRinger at 03:06 PM | 30 COMMENTS | permalink

Comments

A noncitizen voted in Michigan

Was it one of Trump's wives?

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-01 03:35 PM

I don't understand why noncitizens can't vote for the president and members of Congress. After all they are mostly contributing members of society. Two the policies made by our federal government affects them as well as citizens. Thirdly they worked their butts off to get here. All many of us did was win the birthright lottery.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-01 04:37 PM

" I don't understand why noncitizens can't vote for the president and members of Congress"

Because it's against the law. Also, I'm this case , the non citizen is a 19 year old student.

#3 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-01 05:50 PM

A

Singular.

I get it, though, y'all are just happy that finally there's a case of confirmed voter fraud that isn't a Republican.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-01 09:46 PM

It was only discovered because the student self reported it and the vote still counts.

#5 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-01 09:50 PM

Ooookay?

Nobody claims voter fraud is nonexistent.

The point is it doesn't happen to levels anywhere near appreciable enough to affect a singular election.

There's only something like 1,400ish total cases confirmed since the 70s.

That's mere thousands out of what's probably billions of votes.

Do you understand log scales enough to understand why the whole voter fraud BS is just that, BS?

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-01 09:55 PM

JPW

The problem with that number is that it operates under the assumption that each instance of fraud is eventually found out.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-01 09:57 PM

In this case this student was able to register without showing proof of citIzenship. How many other occurrences of this throughout the country? It's reason #1001 that people are fed up with tantamount open borders.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-01 09:59 PM

- tantamount open borders.

I hope you didn't burst your cherry coming up with that.

DeadPedio would be devastated.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-01 10:06 PM

The problem with that number is that it operates under the assumption that each instance of fraud is eventually found out.

#7 | Posted by BellRinger

Sure. But let's say only 1% is found.

That's 100,000 total fraudulent votes over half a century.

Again, out of billions of votes.

Need a refresher on log scales?

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-01 10:11 PM

It's reason #1001 that people are fed up with tantamount open borders.

Oh please.

People are "fed up" because they're told to be.

Your average person couldn't tell you ---- about reality.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-01 10:12 PM

" People are "fed up" because they're told to be.

Your average person couldn't tell you ---- about reality.

#11 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-11-01 10:12 PM | FLAG: "

We're those sanctuary city blue state mayors fed up because they were told to be?

#12 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-01 10:34 PM

The people actually dealing with some effect?

Please, tell me how the boomer in ---------- Nebraska is comparable.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-01 11:08 PM

" let's say only 1% is found. That's 100,000 total fraudulent votes over half a century."

Not even that.

A solid reading of The Heritage Foundation's website on vote fraud convictions makes several things very clear:

1. States average about one conviction per year, per state.

2. Most vote fraud is NOT committed by voters; it's by one of "the three Cs": Canvassers, Cullers, and Counters.

3. When a multiple vote happens, it's almost invariably ONE extra, by voting in a second jurisdiction, or for a newly passed spouse or in-law.

4. Those double voters split about 1/3rd to 2/3rds doing it absent-mindedly, versus purposefully double voting.

5. In-person multiple voting at the same precinct, under different aliases, is virtually nonexistent. The risk/reward in almost all cases is a HUGE risk to a microscopic reward, ESPECIALLY for folks in America illegally.

6. No fraud at scale, ever. Fraud at scale is a weak-link operation, and thus doomed to fail.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-01 11:15 PM

...without showing proof of citIzenship[sic]...

I'm curious, how does this "proof of citizenship work?" Birth certificate? The last certified copy of mine that I saw had a bunch of typed information. It had nothing that would evidentially tie me (this body, this person) to that piece of paper. Thus, check box or birth certificate what's the difference?

So how does this work, hyperbolic's?

#15 | Posted by et_al at 2024-11-02 12:36 AM

" The people actually dealing with some effect?

Please, tell me how the boomer in ---------- Nebraska is comparable.

#13 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-11-01 11:08 PM | FLAG: "

How about some boomer living in a border town that deals with the massive influx?

Further, are you suggesting that only people who actually experience it firsthand are capable of formulating an informed opinion about it?

And what about the pathologies that effect only the migrants like human and sex trafficking?

Or, what about the massive influx of fentanyl and the hundred thousand plus annual overdose deaths?

#16 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-02 12:54 AM

" I'm curious, how does this "proof of citizenship work?"

Seriously? Are you suggesting it's impossible to have a systematic way of determining citizenship?

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-02 12:56 AM

Are you suggesting ...

No, I'm asking a question based on the provided data. Do you have an answer or just more hyperbolic BS?

I'm betting more hyperbolic BS but we'll see.

#18 | Posted by et_al at 2024-11-02 02:25 AM

If I understand correctly, you are an experienced lawyer. So I don't understand you are looking to me for an answer thst, based on your background, you are better equipped to answer.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-02 02:56 AM

You act like it's impossible to ascertain, yet, by and large the issue of determination of citizenship has never been an issue, as if it's some kind of mystery

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-02 02:59 AM

#s 19 & 20

That's some incoherent babble. Again, the question is "proof of citizenship." The suggested proof is a birth certificate. Mine does not do that. So now what?

More babble? More BS?

#21 | Posted by et_al at 2024-11-02 04:20 AM

I wonder which one of BullBringer's many personalities is currently posting.

What a pointless username.

The whole group of you can't put together a single comment worth reading.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-02 04:57 AM

The election isn't until Tuesday and this "noncitizen"'s vote has been identified.

What's the story?

"Noncitizen" attempts to vote in the election?

Stop the presses!

By the way, is "noncitizen" the new "illegal immigrant"?

How scary.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-02 05:05 AM

How about some ...

Further ...

And what about ...

Or, what about ...
#16 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

So much hyperbole and stupidity.

How do you sleep at night when you're so scared of all the horrible things you imagine?

Xenophobia really has you scared stupid.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-02 05:09 AM

Or, what about the massive influx of fentanyl and the hundred thousand plus annual overdose deaths?
#16 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

What about it? That's all on Americans who fund and and smuggle it in and then consume it. Of course if the government would recognize what the actual issue is and help with pain management instead of make it worse and force people into the black market for relief we could completely eliminate it as a problem.

But ya just gotta squeeze a lie in don't ya? And you wonder why you all get called garbage. It's the garbage you spew.


Fentanyl is primarily trafficked by U.S. citizens. The U.S. Sentencing Commission publishes data on all federal convictions, which includes demographic information on individuals convicted of fentanyl trafficking.

...

Every year, U.S. citizens receive the most convictions by far. In 2021, U.S. citizens accounted for 86.3 percent of fentanyl trafficking convictions compared to just 8.9 percent for illegal immigrants.

www.cato.org

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-02 05:35 AM

MAGATS are ------- idiots.

#26 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-02 11:18 AM

Laura,

I guess in your mind people should be able to vote just because they believe they're a citizen.

#27 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-02 12:35 PM

Only a complete idiot fool would spend all the time, effort and risk to add a few more votes for one side or the other in a general election. That is why almost all people getting caught for committing that crime are Republicans.

#28 | Posted by moder8 at 2024-11-02 08:10 PM

---- off Bill

#29 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-02 11:10 PM

---- off Bill

#30 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-02 11:10 PM

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