Thursday, October 02, 2025

Early polls show Trump and GOP taking more blame 4 shutdown

The national surveys taken in the final days of September and the first day of the shutdown find that voters are more inclined to blame Trump and his party. But many are uncertain.

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More from the article ...

... The U.S. government is shut down, and Americans are more inclined to blame President Donald Trump and Republicans for it, according to four independent, national polls conducted just before or during the funding lapse. ...

A Washington Post poll conducted on Oct. 1, the first day of the shutdown, found that 47% of U.S. adults blame Trump and Republicans in Congress, while 30% blame Democrats and 23% said they're not sure.

The survey found that independents blamed Trump and Republicans over Democrats by a wide margin of 50% to 22%. And one-third of Republicans were either unsure who to blame (25%) or blamed their party (8%). ...


[more results from other polls in the article]


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 06:12 PM

"But many are uncertain."

We're done as a country.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 06:16 PM

Yes, we are.

#3 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-10-02 06:18 PM

The people who blamed one side blame that same side for everything.

This is just another day for them.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 06:23 PM

-We're done as a country.

Such drama

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 06:24 PM

@#2 ... We're done as a country. ...

The Country survived the 60's. The assassination of JFK, RFK and MLK, the Democratic Convention riots in Chicago, the Vietnam War protests, etc. I lived through that, and i am still here.

Will the Country survive Pres Trump's assault upon Democracy to institute autocracy in the Country?

I wish I knew, but I remain hopeful.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 06:28 PM

"We're done as a country".

Such drama

#5 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I don't think that we're done.

I do believe that there will be blood.

I mean, there already has been.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-02 06:31 PM

6

Don't forget the civil war, The actual Vietnam war (not just the protests), Cuban missle crisis, Pearl Harbor, 9-11

And don't forget the worst of them all.

J-6.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 06:31 PM

-I do believe that there will be blood.

Yes.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 06:31 PM

The country survived a lot of things.

But it's never had a president and party who are determined on turning our democratic nation into an authoritarian one.

Even during the time of Nixon, the Republican party remained faithful to America.

Conservatives put America ahead of the president.

I don't see that happening currently in today's America.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 06:35 PM

@#10 ... But it's never had a president and party who are determined on turning our democratic nation into an authoritarian one.

Even during the time of Nixon, the Republican party remained faithful to America.

Conservatives put America ahead of the president.

I don't see that happening currently in today's America. ...

99% agreement.

I reserve the 1% because I hope that the Country survives.


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 06:41 PM

I hope the country survives as well.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 06:43 PM

-Even during the time of Nixon, the Republican party remained faithful to America.

50+ years later it seems fair to say that.

But at the time? Might not have seemed that way.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 07:00 PM

But at the time?

I don't know. I wasn't alive at the time.

But based on what I've seen, seems like Nixon didn't have the support Trump does.

Also, seems like Nixon had more integrity.

But again. A lot of this is based on second hand information.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 07:36 PM

Nixon was the opposite of charismatic... and he was a secret Crook, not a Mobster/Carnival Barker in your face Traitor/Criminal.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-02 07:39 PM

But at the time? Might not have seemed that way.
#13 | Posted by eberly

Oh I get it.

You're implying it might only seem this way today.

You're hinting the same Republicans who shut down the government to facilitate Trump dismantling the government might still be loyal to the government.

Stay Classy, Republicans!

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 07:41 PM

Hey Eberly,

I can see why your clown ass had to plonk me, since I routinely dunk on you like Charlie Kirk dunking on a nineteen year old Women's Studies major.

BOOM! NECKSHOT!

Get wrecked, fascist.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 07:46 PM

-You're hinting the same Republicans who shut down the government to facilitate Trump dismantling the government might still be loyal to the government.

They think they are. They also think the democrats are the unamerican traitors for not voting to keep the government open.

I couldn't care less what they think. They're wrong.....but they believe it.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 07:47 PM

-BOOM! NECKSHOT!

this is why everyone ignores you. You're 8 years old, emotionally.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 07:48 PM

-But based on what I've seen, seems like Nixon didn't have the support Trump does.

It does seem like that.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 07:49 PM

Nobody ignores me, bitch.

And nobody thinks the guy who said "abortion won't get overturned" knows what he's talking about.

Well, except for you.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 07:51 PM

-Nobody ignores me, bitch.

RCADE apparently paid a little attention to you lately.

what was that about?

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 07:55 PM

Nixon didn't have the support Trump does.

Republicans didn't shut down the government at Nixon's request?

Congratulations, Republicans.

You finally got your revenge for being prosecuted for the Watergate break-in!

Eberly, don't tell us you're tired of Republicans winning... Say it ain't so, Mr. Life Long Republican.

How could Eberly possibly be a Republican and not be giddy about what is happening? I'll tell you how.

Eberly is a Republican much like BillJohnson, married to a woman and hasn't had has sex with men in forty years, is a gay man. It's a mask for a part of them we will never see.

The Republican Party has become the Big Tent for emotionally crippled and tortured men, which of course is most of them.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 07:57 PM

drama......such drama

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:01 PM

"You're 8 years old, emotionally."

Tell you what.

Your emotions are aged twelve years and live in a bottle.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 08:03 PM

Now go get your shine box.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 08:03 PM

They think they are.

They're loyal to the vision they have for America.

But I'm not sure they realize what that vision is or how to achieve it.

I can tell you one thing for sure, what Trump wants from America and what the average republican voter want for America are two completely different things.

As many are finding out the hard way.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 08:09 PM

-I can tell you one thing for sure, what Trump wants from America and what the average republican voter want for America are two completely different things.

I don't disagree but just curious....what does the average republican voter want for America?

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:19 PM

@#13 ... Might not have seemed that way. ..

Yeah, at the time, it did seem that way.

Pres Nixon vacated the Office of the President.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 08:27 PM

Again, what did Snoofy do to get banned?

Look at the shit posted here every day.

How is it possible to get kicked off?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:28 PM

...what does the average republican voter want for America?

1955?

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-02 08:30 PM

-Yeah, at the time, it did seem that way.

It seemed like what?

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:32 PM

-1955

Meaning?

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:34 PM

Fmr Pres Nixom famously said, "I am not a crook."

Yet he stepped down.

Now we have a President with 34 counts of criminal convictions by a Jury of his peers, and sill ardently supported by the GOP.

What has happened to the "Law & Order" GOP?

And why does the GOP seem to be so focused upon catering to the whims of Pres Trump instead of Americans?




#34 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 08:37 PM

@#30 ... How is it possible to get kicked off? ...

Tacitly acknowledging the acceptance of this most august website of differing opinings?

#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 08:38 PM

Meaning?

The "Good old days". Ritchie Cunningham, The Fonz, and US global financial and industrial superiority.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-02 08:40 PM

35

Meaning?

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:40 PM

what does the average republican voter want for America?
#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY

More money in their bank account, more stability in their futures, an easier life.

MAGA is fueled by anger. Mostly because people are unhappy with their lives.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 08:41 PM

@#32 ... It seemed like what?

My reply to your current alias' comment was direct.

But I do have a different question ...

Why the apparent, I'll say, extreme effort, by your current alias to divert this thread to different topics?


More from the article ...

... In a Morning Consult poll taken in late September, 45% of registered voters said they'd blame Republicans in Congress for a shutdown, while 32% said they'd blame Democrats. Another 16% had no opinion, while 7% chose "other."

Independents blamed Republicans over Democrats by a margin of 41% to 24%. ...



Given that it seemed to be the Independents who seemed to have put Pres Trump in office, I can see why your current alias might want to deflect away from the polling results.



#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 08:44 PM

1955?

Better raise taxes on the wealthy to 90% and invest in America again.

The rich, who control both parties, aren't gonna let that happen.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 08:45 PM

-Better raise taxes on the wealthy to 90% and invest in America again.

Don't forget the rest

Women and minorities go back to where they belong.

Billions of Chinese and Indians give up their middle class and go back to poverty.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:47 PM

-My reply to your current alias' comment was direct.

Then try another language.

I speak ... ... .english.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:48 PM

I have no problem with the survey results.

I'm not deflecting from them.

I suspect the results frustrate some because of the large number of "not sure" responses.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:51 PM

#41 It sounds like you know what Republicans want after all.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 08:51 PM

@#42

I disagreed with your current alias' comment (#13)

Do try harder to troll.


#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 08:55 PM

-The "Good old days". Ritchie Cunningham, The Fonz, and US global financial and industrial superiority.

I don't disagree but you'd have to be Lamplighter's age to relate to that.

Fukkin old.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 08:57 PM

Better raise taxes on the wealthy to 90% and invest in America again.
The rich, who control both parties, aren't gonna let that happen.
#40 | Posted by ClownShack

Ironically, a high corporate income tax would be an effective means to stimulate capital investment in America, which is maybe the only thing Republicans want that isn't bad for America.

But they're simply too greedy not to kill the golden goose.

Raising corporate tax rates would be hugely more effective than imposing tariffs at stimulating domestic investment. Not that I'm so delusional as to believe the tariffs are actually expected or intended to result in significant investment in America, of course.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 08:58 PM

-I disagreed with your current alias' comment (#13)

I didnt realize you were that old

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 09:00 PM

@#44 ... It sounds like you know what Republicans want after all. ...

I have a different view.

imo, it is just a troll, wanting replies. But that then helps RCade to continue this most august website, so maybe it is a good thing?

That aside ...maybe then the question becomes, why?

And as a follow-up, why apparently so active on this thread about the polls showing Americans may be blaming Republicans more for the shutdown that Democrats?



#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 09:00 PM

"Do try harder to troll."

"Your alias"

So, bedtime? Because you're clearly whipped.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 09:01 PM

-The "Good old days". Ritchie Cunningham, The Fonz, and US global financial and industrial superiority.

Fukkin old.
#46 | Posted by eberly

I don't mind being called old, but I'm 54 and I grew up with those things.

Was Happy Days not in reruns when you see a kid? Maybe it's more because you're a Millennial rather than anything else that you seem so unaware.

I'm guessing it's the cultural stuff, because we had industrial superiority and global financial support for the past 80 years, until about Q3 of this year, when it started to shift.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 09:03 PM

@#48 ... I didnt realize you were that old ...

In the late 1970's I was a participant in a worldwide network, and sending emails to my friends in Europe.

I have said that multiple times here on this site.

And, yes, we discussed the Nixon mess (I'll be kind) back then.

Do the math.

Yeah, I'm likely a fossil in your current alias' eyes. It's amazing that I can even type on a keyboard.....

:)

#52 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 09:06 PM

I don't disagree but you'd have to be Lamplighter's age to relate to that.

I "coded" in FORTAN on punch cards in high school. I watched new episodes of Gunsmoke on the TV. :-)

#53 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-10-02 09:07 PM

Women and minorities go back to where they belong.
Billions of Chinese and Indians give up their middle class and go back to poverty.

I don't see MAGA having any issue with any of that.

I was pointing out the part of 1955 that actually made America Great.

It was taxing the rich. 90%. Which allowed our government to invest in the nation.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 09:09 PM

@#50 ... So, bedtime? Because you're clearly whipped. ...

Not really.

I made those determinations based upon what I had seen back in the day when I ran a bulletin board.

Certain behaviors became apparent to me, and seemed detrimental to the focus of the bulletin board.

Much like your current alias' apparent continuing diversion attempt away from the topic of this thread.

What seems to be so anathema to your current alias about the polls seeming to blame Republicans for the shutdown?

#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 09:11 PM

@#53 ... I "coded" in FORTAN on punch cards in high school. ...

Yup.

#56 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-02 09:13 PM

"why apparently so active on this thread about the polls showing Americans may be blaming Republicans more for the shutdown that Democrats?"

See his #18.

It's damage control.

He wants us to know that Republicans love their country so much they had to shut it down.

He's really trying to sell that as a thing that could make sense.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 09:14 PM

-It was taxing the rich. 90%. Which allowed our government to invest in the nation.

You can't remove those other realities. It's amazingly naive to pretend they are irrelevant.

We dropped atomic bombs. Destroyed infrastructure, denied blacks and women equal rights. Took advantage of the fact the rest of the world was unable to compete.

I'll gladly acknowledge the high marginal tax rate as a factor.

But let's not pretend it was THE factor.

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 09:14 PM

"In the late 1970's I was a participant in a worldwide network, and sending emails to my friends in Europe."

LOL

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 09:17 PM

"We dropped atomic bombs. Destroyed infrastructure, denied blacks and women equal rights. Took advantage of the fact the rest of the world was unable to compete."

That was in 1945.

It didn't take the world until 1975 to build back.

Rather, in 1975, Republican leadership opened trade with China, to move America jobs there, to increase profits for American companies.

You "not knowing this" is a good example of how your propaganda routine plays out.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 09:18 PM

I'll gladly acknowledge the high marginal tax rate as a factor.
But let's not pretend it was THE factor.
#58 | Posted by eberly

Hey Einstein.

The tax rate is the only contributing factor we can reasonably mimic without starting a world war.

So let's not pretend it isn't THE solution.

You fucking putz.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-02 09:21 PM

-Much like your current alias' apparent continuing diversion attempt away from the topic of this thread.

Anytime I want my alias can change the subject of any thread

And then get all of you to talk about me.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 09:32 PM

- get all of you to talk about me.

At least you know your priorities.

And it must be tough to be a Republican during their Cult Period.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-02 09:34 PM

How did Snoofy get tossed?

Must have been way over the line ... ...

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 09:34 PM

You can't remove those other realities.

Show me where I did. I literally acknowledged MAGA would be in favor of that.

On the other hand. They'll fight tooth and nail against raising taxes on the wealthy.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-10-02 09:36 PM

The longer the shutdown goes on, the more people will blame the GOP. It may be an over simplification, but most people view the GOP as in control of all the levers of government, including all of Congress. It seems common sense that they would be able to end this showdown if they were willing to compromise.

And just wait until all those firings and layoffs Trump keeps promising kick in. He is going to be shocked by the negative backlash to himself personally.

#66 | Posted by moder8 at 2025-10-02 09:38 PM

-At least you know your priorities.

It works because it's your priority.

I didn't derail anything. Lamp shits on his own thread and blames me.

Eberly and clownshack are on topic.

Snoofy shows up "boom. Neck shot! Let's make this about eberly"

Then lamp and you start crying.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2025-10-02 09:39 PM

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