I think it is absolutely bananas that people are protesting the US government enforcing US government policy.

ICE is snatching people with no criminal records from their cars.

You wouldn't like it if the Stasi did this to you for a trivial offense like a previous conviction for driving without a license.

ICE is also snatching citizens from their cars.

Calling this "enforcing US government policy" is you, deliberately missing the actual thing that's being protested, which is the deliberate cruelty and inhumanity and totalitarian approach of the Feds.

"What is ICE tasked with doing?"

Being cruel.

Have you not read any of the 62 or so Executive Orders defining the operating parameters for ICE?

"Why was the FBI there?"

Maybe Kash Patel's girlfriend needed a ride?

"Right now you have two types of people. Those who are going through the wickets to enter the country legally, and those who enter illegally."

That's irrelevant to the topic of what ICE is doing.
ICE doesn't care whether immigrants are legal or illegal.
The Koreans building a Hyundai factory were here legally.
Most immigrants detained by ICE have no criminal record.

"Question 2: Do you believe the US should have an open border policy?"

What does an open border policy mean?
Is the United States border open right now?

Name some countries, past or present, with an open border policy.
Name some different border policies and countries that use them.

"If people are in the US illegally, should the US government take any action to remove them?"

This should be considered on a case by case basis.
What's the ROI to the taxpayer?

If we removed the people who are here illegally doing agricultural work, the agricultural sector would collapse, because that's half of the labor force.

So, why would any sane economic leader want to remove those people?

"had to leave when I was scheduled to leave."

No, you chose to leave when you were scheduled to leave.

They weren't going to hunt you down just for hanging around one day past your visa expiration date, though eventually your number might come up.

"ICE is an equal opportunity deporter."

Not really. They'll deport anyone, but they're targeting the mud races.

"This should be considered on a case by case basis."
How so?
If someone is in the country illegally, you would let some stay?
#34 | Posted by madbomber

You're intent on missing the point and mis-framing the issue.

The question isn't why would I let them stay.
The question is why would I hunt them down.

So, why would you hunt someone down, for overstaying a tourist visa?
Show me how America benefits.

And there are reasons people should be removed from this country.

And it worked fine for hundreds of years without ICE being a paramilitary organization doing sweeps and roundups and door to door searches.

I was at work one night at the printing press. Two black SUVs showed up. US Marshalls got out, came into the office, had the foreman or whoever go get the guy working on the night shift. They cuffed him, drove him to Dulles, put him on the next flight to Haiti or DR or wherever.

No need for a $75B government spend.
No need to build camps, just to send people to camps, while they wait to see an administrative judge for final deportation.

"I'm not concerned about a criminal record. I'm concerned about whether they are in the country legally."

In the absence of a criminals record, or criminal behavior, why are you so concerned about the civil offense of being here without authorization?

"I'm concerned about whether they are in the country legally."

Let's talk about this concern. How deep it goes.
How about if their legality is such that, they are legal, but we can deport them for writing a bad check, and they write a bad check.
Should the default action be deportation?

"There were 14 million people who entered the country illegally in 2023."

You're either lying, or more likely simply misread a headline.

The United States population did not increase by 14,000,000 illegal immigrants in 2023.
The total number of undocumented people in the Untied States hit 14,000,000 in 2023.
The actual number that arrived in 2023 is of course a small fraction of that.

Think about that. 14 million people who chose to enter the country illegally, when they could have do so legally.
#45 | Posted by madbomber

I thought about it, and it took me about 0.5 seconds to realize you're full of ----.

Maybe you should think about it.

Or does this minor correction not change any of your upstream comments about the need to spend taxpayer dollars to hunt down people who've committed no offense other than overstaying a tourist visa?

I'm still waiting for actual ROI on what ICE is doing. Do you think this $75B spend will be a net positive for America?
Do you think America deporting millions of undocumented people will be a net positive for America? Economically speaking?
Or is this simply not an issue that you care about, from an economics standpoint?

Maybe this is about White Nationalism for you. So even if it costs us a 1% drop in GDP, you still support the economic harm it's causing, for ideological reasons.

"How about if their legality is such that, they are legal, but we can deport them for writing a bad check, and they write a bad check."
Forgive my ignorance, but is writing a bad check a crime? If so, then yes.
#46 | Posted by madbomber

Speeding ticket is a crime too. Deport for speeding ticket?
Any infraction by a legal immigrant, no matter how trivial, those people should be hunted down, violently arrested, and sent to camps awaiting deportation?

Forgive my ignorance, but is writing a bad check a crime? If so, then yes.
#46 | Posted by madbomber

So you support this. This benefits America in your eyes, somehow? Or it not an issue if this harms or benefits America. You just think it's good and you don't think past that.