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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, October 28, 2024

Here's the big problem that no one talks about very much: Simple and defensible decisions by pollsters can drastically change the reported margin between Harris and Trump. I'll show that the margin can change by as much as eight points. Reasonable decisions produce a margin that ranges from Harris +0.9% to Harris +8%. This reality highlights that we ask far too much of polls. Ultimately, it's hard to know how much poll numbers reflect the decisions of voters - or the decisions of pollsters.

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The 4 key questions for pollsters

1. Do respondents match the electorate demographically in terms of sex, age, education, race, etc.? (This was a problem in 2016.)

2. Do respondents match the electorate politically after the sample is adjusted by demographic factors? (This was the problem in 2020.)

3. Which respondents will vote?

4. Should the pollster trust the data?

To show how the answers to these questions can affect poll results, I use a national survey conducted from October 7 - 14, 2024. The sample included 1,924 self-reported registered voters drawn from an online, high-quality panel commonly used in academic and commercial work.

After dropping the respondents who said they were not sure who they would vote for (3.2%) and those with missing demographics, the unweighted data give Harris a 6 percentage point lead - 51.6 % to 45.5% - among the remaining 1,718 respondents.

*Adjusting for demographic factors
*Adjusting for political factors
*Adjusting for likely voters
*Do I trust this data?

After all of this, there is still a critical limitation. Even if we correctly predict what the 2024 electorate will look like in terms of demographics and partisanship, our adjustments only work if the voters who took the poll have the same views as similar voters who did not take the poll. This is a foundational assumption of polling.

The performance of polls thus depends on the opinions of both voters and pollsters in ways that are often hard to discern. This election year, are the polls virtually tied because voters are tied, because pollsters think the race is tied, or both?

We would all do better to temper our expectations about pre-election polls. It's impossible to ensure that the polls will reliably predict close races given the number of decisions that pollsters have to make. And it's often hard for consumers of polls to know how much the results reflect the opinions of the voters or the pollsters.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-28 12:54 PM | Reply

This describes the "frame" that I have mentioned and commented upon in the past.

There are other factors as well...

For example...

The order of the questions asked can affect the answers to the questions.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-28 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There are 2 types of polls - those that are meant to show the current public opinion and those that are meant to help form public opinion. The Forming Polls were the nonsense ones released right after Kamala became the candidate in which over the course of 3 days she changed from a moronic boat anchor weighing down Biden's election chance to the 2nd coming of Barak Obama.

The problem is that Liberals increasingly have trouble being able to differentiate between the 2 types of polls.

#3 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-28 11:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#1 Tonyroma You forgot something. You forgot a group of voters flooding the poll to skew it towards one candidate. Say a lot of Republicans or Democrats find a poll and decide to spread the word. Go to this poll, here's the website address and flood it with answers supporting Trump or Harris. It'll show they're ahead in the polls. It will discourage the other side from voting and we will win.

#4 | Posted by Ronnie68 at 2024-10-29 01:10 PM | Reply

You forgot a group of voters flooding the poll to skew it towards one candidate.

This article and research isn't about voluntary internet/call-in polls, it's about pollsters who choose those polled based on the demographics they think will be representative of the nation as a whole.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-29 03:08 PM | Reply

Good article but only if is approached with bipartisan neutrality.

Politics has become devious and very sophisticated at changing not representing public opinion. I never trusted national polls and historically based on mostly memory they were never accurate in the weeks leading up to election. 2022 polls were proven wrong but here we are again accepting their projections. Polls are mostly used to influence rather than project. Our MSM news likewise is propaganda manipulated for an outcome not provideng honest accurate, objective information.

The exit polls were once the gold standard of verifying election results and its integrity. The purveyors of mail in ballots have shrewdly eliminated that once accurate check and balance to our democracy. Now we nothing.

#6 | Posted by Robson at 2024-10-30 05:55 AM | Reply

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