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Monday, November 04, 2024

David A. Graham: The most remarkable thing about the 2024 presidential election, which hasn't lacked for surprises, is that roughly half the electorate still supports Donald Trump. The Republican's tenure in the White House was a series of rolling disasters, and culminated with him attempting to steal an election after voters rejected him. And yet, polling suggests that Trump is virtually tied with Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee.

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Trump's term was chaos wrapped in catastrophe, served over incompetence. He avoided any major wars and slashed taxes, but otherwise failed in many of his goals. He did not build a wall, nor did Mexico pay for it. He did not beat China in a trade war or revive American manufacturing. He did not disarm North Korea. His administration was hobbled by a series of scandals of his own creation, including one that got him impeached by the House. He oversaw a string of moral outrages: his callous handling of Hurricane Mara, the cruelty of family separation, his disinformation about COVID, and the distribution of aid to punish Democratic areas. At the end came his attempt to thwart the will of American voters, an assault on the tradition of peaceful transfer of power that dated back to the nation's founding.

The past few years have seen the FBI turn up some of the nation's most sensitive secrets on a ballroom stage and in a bathroom at Mar-a-Lago, where they had been stashed haphazardly (this, after his 2016 campaign criticized his opponent, Hillary Clinton, relentlessly for her handling of her email security). The former president has also been indicted on dozens of felony charges and convicted on 34 of them. In civil proceedings, he's been found liable for raping the writer E. Jean Carroll (he denies this) and to have committed millions of dollars of business fraud.

His 2024 presidential campaign has been built around two main promises: a mass deportation of undocumented immigrants and retribution against his political enemies. He's said he wants to deploy the military against domestic enemies, a category that he has made clear begins with elected Democrats.

Trump has also benefited from the media environment. A robust right-wing press has opted to become effectively a wing of the MAGA movement. Harris faces scrutiny from both the mainstream and conservative press, but he receives it only from the mainstream. Elon Musk bought [Twitter] out of a supposed concern for political interference, and has spent the past few months turning it into a gusher of pro-Trump disinformation.

#VOTE!

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-11-04 10:06 AM | Reply

Tony, this is 'the Confederacy rising again'.

They have been signaling that since 2021 and before.

There, now you know.

You're welcome.

#2 | Posted by Wardog at 2024-11-04 10:38 AM | Reply

To me, there's really only one explanation for a person who is obviously the epidemy of almost everything that is evil in a human being being acceptable to large numbers of the public.

antichrist45.com

I don't know that he is, but I do know that he matches the descriptions... all of them.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-04 12:25 PM | Reply

epitome

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-04 01:43 PM | Reply

How is it so close?

Easy. America is still a racist / misogynistic nation.

Had the DNC chosen a European American male, Trump would have been blown out of the election.

Harris's biggest problems are her gender and her Southeast Asia/Jamaican heritage.

Beat of luck to American democracy surviving 4 years of Trump.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-04 01:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Beat of luck to American democracy surviving 4 years of Trump.
#5 | Posted by ClownShack

It will not. Don't take it from me, take it from John Mitnick, a former Trump appointee:


A thread addressed to my fellow conservatives who are planning to vote, or considering voting, for Trump. 1/13

I was a senior, Senate-confirmed appointee in the Trump administration. I saw it from the inside. It was a chaotic disaster. I am also a lifelong conservative, a former Republican nominee for Congress, and a former White House Counsel. 2/13

Trump is reckless, angry, vengeful, and narcissistic, and he has no respect for the Constitution or the rule of law. 3/13

He is not a conservative; rather, he is a would-be autocrat and fascist motivated exclusively by his personal self-interest. If you think he cares about you or your family, I assure you that he does not. He cares only about himself. 4/13

So why did the country not go completely off the rails last time? Because there were just enough senior officials who served as "guardrails." I assure you that there will be no "guardrails" in another Trump administration. 5/13

If Trump is re-elected, senior administration positions will be filled entirely by blindly ambitious or unqualified radicals and grifters who pass a test of personal loyalty to Trump. 6/13

There will be no "adults in the room" who stand up for the Constitution and our cherished American democratic institutions. 7/13

Perhaps you recognize Trump's many serious flaws, but you think you will benefit from some of his "policies" while escaping the effects of the chaos and lawlessness. To that I say the following: 8/13

1. Although Trump will tend to follow Project 2025 (a problem in itself), you can't trust him to implement any particular policy. Trump has no political principles. He will reverse any position any time if it suits his personal interest. Surely you've already noticed that. 9/13

2. You won't escape the disastrous effects of his policies (e.g., tariffs) on the economy, global instability and damage to national security resulting from his admiration for foreign dictators, or the chaos, lawlessness, and persecution that he promises. No one will. 10/13

But what about Kamala, you ask--if she's elected, won't the Democrats run amok implementing their dream list of leftist policies? No, they won't be able to do that. Please read this article, particularly "The Harris Risk" portion: 11/13

A Message for Haley Voters Still on the Fence
Understand, clearly, what Trump will do, what he could do, and also what Harris won't be able to do.
www.thebulwark.com

I disagree with Kamala Harris on many issues, but she will respect our constitutional system and the rule of law, and she will support our international alliances and allies. She has also pledged to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet. 12/13

I respectfully urge you to join me and many other conservatives and Republicans in voting for Kamala Harris. It's time to close the book on Trump and rebuild a truly conservative party based on respect for the Constitution, the rule of law, and each other.

#HarrisWalz2024 13/13

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#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-11-04 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

#6

SO NW!

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-04 03:23 PM | Reply

"It will not."

Agreed.

Let's see what happens 48 hours from now.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-04 04:04 PM | Reply

6

Ironically, he makes me feel better about a Trump presidency. Or less worse....

Because, at his core, Trump doesn't really care about Project 2025 enough to commit to any single part of it. Because he's a selfish ----- who won't give 2 ----- about anybody once elected to a 2nd term. We've always relied on 2nd term presidents to care about the future of their party. That keeps them from going too far off the rails because you lose all control in congress if that happens. Any president who gives 2 ----- about at least their own party will observe some guardrails. I think even the most ardent Trump supporters will agree Trump won't give 2 ----- about the future of the GOP.

LOL

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-04 04:10 PM | Reply

Michael Moore Predicts Trump is Toast

www.youtube.com

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-04 04:23 PM | Reply

Should ------- prevail tomorrow...-------ites remember this...

May you receive everything you voted for.

I cannot think of a worse curse to lay on you.

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-04 09:26 PM | Reply

If Trump wins our allies will be Russia, China, North Korea, ...
Our enemies will be Europe, Australia, Japan...
We will withdraw from NATO.

And those are the easy calls to make.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-04 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And those are the easy calls to make.

Justin Trudeau will build a wall and you will pay for it. :-)

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-04 09:37 PM | Reply

I got nothing,
That caught me flatfooted!

#14 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-04 09:53 PM | Reply

@#11 ... May you receive everything you voted for. ...

Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be Next (1998)
www.youtube.com

Nothing else to add.


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-04 10:21 PM | Reply

How is it this close?

1. Many Americans are downright stupid.
2. Many Americans are gullible.
3. Many Americans watch mind poisoning tv stations like Faux News.
4. America is still a racist nation.
5. America is filled with corrupt politicians and individuals
that will do anything to further their ideas, their power base.

The only decision is, "Do we want common sense government over the next 4 years,
or do we want to witness another circus?" A particularly nasty, likely violent,
definitely racist circus...

I have already voted for Common Sense.

#16 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-11-05 06:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I think even the most ardent Trump supporters will agree Trump won't give 2 ----- about the future of the GOP"

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-04 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would he? The legacy GOP has done nothing to but try to off him since his first run, and they've only upped their game ever since.

#17 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-05 09:23 AM | Reply

Why is this election so close?

Simple. 2 awful candidates makes for a tight race.

#18 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 09:48 AM | Reply

I don't think its that close.

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-11-05 09:49 AM | Reply

I opted for the most secure method of voting and that was in person this morning.

#20 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 09:49 AM | Reply

How is it this close?

Look for any post ending in

POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS
POSTED BY FORTFISHER
POSTED BY VISITOR_
POSTED BY SHRIMPTACODAN
POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

Just click the name and look around for about 30 seconds and you'll understand completely.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 10:13 AM | Reply

Why would he? The legacy GOP has done nothing to but try to off him since his first run

Probably because he's been a complete disaster for the GOP outside of their rabid cult base of MAGA idiots.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 10:14 AM | Reply

Hers a major problem

I live in an upper middle class neighborhood and never have to stand more than 5 minutes in line to vote.

Due predominantly to new voting procedures it'll take me over an hour to vote.

I can only imagine how difficult it will be in urban areas.

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-05 10:21 AM | Reply

Let me start by saying I grew up in a middle class family ... .

I live in a middle class area. I showed my ID and filled out a card. Walked to the ballot table again showed my ID and the card I filled out. The ballot number was documented and I walked to an open booth and filled it out. Took me less than 10 minutes to get to the voting booth.

#24 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 10:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Let me start by saying I grew up in a middle class family ... .

I live in a middle class area. I showed my ID and filled out a card. Walked to the ballot table again showed my ID and the card I filled out. The ballot number was documented and I walked to an open booth and filled it out. Took me less than 10 minutes to get to the voting booth.

Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 10:35 AM | Reply

Spoken by someone with White privilege.

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-05 10:38 AM | Reply

" Took me less than 10 minutes to get to the voting booth."

Give me an example of white privilege without using those specific words.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-05 10:39 AM | Reply

I saw at least one person walk away with out voting

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-05 10:46 AM | Reply

"new voting procedures"

What new voting procedures?

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 10:48 AM | Reply

Quit the race baiting.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 11:04 AM | Reply

" I opted for the most secure method of voting and ... "

... and the most easy to game, via long lines and other purposeful measures.

Meanwhile, no 4hr lines for mail-in ballots.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-05 11:07 AM | Reply

" Quit the race baiting."

I'm just observing.

When you observe, who do you see predominantly in 4-6 hour lines?

If you see no difference, you're a racist.

And if you pretend it's not happening, you're an enabling racist.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-05 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Took me less than 10 minutes to get to the voting booth.

#24 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Since voting is easy for you that means it's easy for everyone?

What a selfish bastard.

No wonder you like Trumpy and his campaign of hate.

You don't give a ---- if others have their votes suppressed. As long as it is easy for you.

I voted by mail weeks ago. And I can track my vote online to make sure it was counted.

It should be that easy for everyone. Not just me.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 11:20 AM | Reply

when Trump wins this week, we can Blame Joe Biden's ego and Jill Biden's bad judgement in not convincing him to step aside sooner.

#33 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-11-05 11:25 AM | Reply

" When you observe, who do you see predominantly in 4-6 hour lines?"

With early voting ans mail in voting much of that should be obviated.

#34 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 11:31 AM | Reply

" Since voting is easy for you that means it's easy for everyone?"

Did I say that?

No, I didn't. I was sharing my voting experience today. Nothing more.

But on this site that doesn't matter. Lefties see: Posted by Bellringer and they lose their minds.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 11:33 AM | Reply

" when Trump wins this week, we can Blame Joe Biden's ego and Jill Biden's bad judgement in not convincing him to step aside sooner.

#33 | POSTED BY E1G1 AT 2024-11-05 11:25 AM | FLAG: "

It looks like independents are breaking late toward Harris which means she will probably win.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 11:34 AM | Reply

POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

Which member of the committee is currently posting under this worthless username?

What a joke.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-05 11:51 AM | Reply

-When you observe, who do you see predominantly in 4-6 hour lines?

People who don't live in a ---- hole, correct?

My three minute wait is characterized as a ---- hole

This is fun.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 11:52 AM | Reply

Quit the race baiting.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger

Yeah, I have to agree on this one.

I live in a lily white suburb and it took me about 1:20 from the time I got at the end of the line (estimated at 350 or so voters) to when I walked out of the polling place.

When I left, the line was still about that long as far as I could tell.

The county released an interactive map of early voting locations that gave estimates of how many people were in line and my wait of 350 or so was the shortest it has been all last week and weekend. My wife got to the same polling place I went to 2 hours early Saturday morning and was person #3 in line. By the time doors opened there was an estimated 560 people in line, wrapping around the building and trailing off down the sidewalk by the entrance.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 11:53 AM | Reply

It looks like independents are breaking late toward Harris which means she will probably win.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger

I suspect we're going to see a higher % of R voters voting third party or writing in candidates like DeSantis.

Not only did Trump not sway independents, but he also drove away voters within his own party that he couldn't afford to lose.

Which is why the "ItSz StOlEnZ!!" rhetoric has heated up the last few days.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 11:56 AM | Reply

I suspect we're going to see a higher % of R voters voting third party or writing in candidates like DeSantis.

DeSantis?

Probably not. That loser barely received any votes during the primaries.

If republicans aren't voting for Trump, they'll probably vote RFKJR or Chase Oliver.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-05 12:04 PM | Reply

" 39 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2024-11-05 11:53 AM | FLAG: "

In 2016 I had to wait in a long line that wrapped around the building.

#42 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 12:06 PM | Reply

According to RCP polling averages Trump wins with 306 electoral votes.

GOP has over-performed in early voting.

In spite of that my gut tells me Harris will eke out a win.

#43 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 12:10 PM | Reply

In spite of that my gut tells me Harris will eke out a win.

#43 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

And my gut tells me it will take years for you and your hateful maga cohorts to admit that she won (if you ever do). And on top of that maga maroons will spend the next 4 years trying to prevent her and America from moving forward.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 12:19 PM | Reply

#43 | Posted by BellRinger

Every remember when Jeff said he wouldn't vote for Trump?

#45 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-11-05 12:23 PM | Reply

But on this site that doesn't matter. Lefties see: Posted by Bellringer and they lose their minds.

#35 | Posted by BellRinger

Leftists see 2-4 hour long lines for early voting and election day voting in Dem areas and understand how the GOP tries to rig elections by discouraging Dems from voting while making it easy and quick in Red areas.

You choose to be blind.

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-11-05 12:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#44 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-11-05 12:19 PM | FLAG:
#45 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-11-05 12:23 PM | FLAG:
#46 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2024-11-05 12:25 PM | FLAG:

Like I said:

" But on this site that doesn't matter. Lefties see: Posted by Bellringer and they lose their minds."

#35 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER AT 2024-11-05 11:33 AM | FLAG: "

#47 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 12:36 PM | Reply

It looks like independents are breaking late toward Harris which means she will probably win.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger

And then the party you support will definitely claim fraud and push america further toward civil war.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-05 12:39 PM | Reply

Like I said:

" But on this site that doesn't matter. Lefties see: Posted by Bellringer and they lose their minds."

#35 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Like I said.

You lie like a rug so it's hard not to debunk your lies.

Even though we know in your case it's quite futile.

Your lies are like eating Chinese food, no matter how many times you are debunked you will just be back posting the same nonsense 30 minutes later.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 12:43 PM | Reply

Probably because he's been a complete disaster for the GOP outside of their rabid cult base of MAGA idiots.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 10:14 AM | Reply | Flag

Sure thing Willis. The same legacy GOP warmongers your party just welcomed in with open arms.

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-05 12:59 PM | Reply

But on this site that doesn't matter. Lefties see: Posted by Bellringer and they lose their minds."

#35 | POSTED BY BELLRINGER

Strawbringer posts 20 times and we post once and it's we who are losing our minds.

Sure. Ok. And why do you even bother to post on a "site that doesn't matter".

Xitter and truth anti-social not good enough for you anymore?

Can't get any followers over there?

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 01:05 PM | Reply

I used my White Privilege(TM) card this morning and I was able to vote and stop to chat with my neighbor from down the highway on the way out, all in under 10 minutes. Took me straight to the front of the voting line.

The line for coloreds wrapped around the building and didn't look like it was moving at all.

If y'all don't have a White Privilege(TM) card, you def need to get one. That ---- works.

#52 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-05 01:08 PM | Reply

52

LOL.....just like at Disney. Those fast passes were friggin awesome.

Walked right past the Hoi polloi on every ride.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sure thing Willis. The same legacy GOP warmongers your party just welcomed in with open arms.

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Which entails what? Which of their policies have the dems adopted?

In reality, EVEN GOP WARMONGERS have more ethics than trumpers, that's how low you are.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-05 01:11 PM | Reply

I used my White Privilege(TM) card this morning and I was able to vote and stop to chat with my neighbor from down the highway on the way out, all in under 10 minutes. Took me straight to the front of the voting line.

The line for coloreds wrapped around the building and didn't look like it was moving at all.

If y'all don't have a White Privilege(TM) card, you def need to get one. That ---- works.

#52 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Voter suppression is hilarious isn't it?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-05 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-Leftists see 2-4 hour long lines for early voting and election day voting in Dem areas and understand how the GOP tries to rig elections by discouraging Dems from voting while making it easy and quick in Red areas.

So, leftists are in charge of nothing?

Not even in blue cities, in blue states?

From my rich neighborhood in a ---- hole state.....I make you stand in line in your wonderful zip code for 4 hours to vote?

You think it's possible someone who you voted for has something to do with why it takes to long to vote where you live?

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:13 PM | Reply

-Voter suppression is hilarious isn't it?

well, honestly??? At the moment it is......thanks for proving the hilarity.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:14 PM | Reply

Voter suppression is hilarious isn't it?

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-05 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag

This is the best laugh I've had in a long time. JFC

#58 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-05 01:15 PM | Reply

GOP has over-performed in early voting.

The assumption being turnout on election day will be unaffected.

I think that's a very poor assumption.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 01:21 PM | Reply

The same legacy GOP warmongers your party just welcomed in with open arms.

#50 | Posted by lfthndthrds

The very people you turned on because the orange carnival barker told you to.

It's funny how you genuinely believe we don't remember who or what you are.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 01:22 PM | Reply

This is the best laugh I've had in a long time. JFC

#58 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Your best laugh since watching a puppy get run over by a car.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-05 01:22 PM | Reply

-Your best laugh since watching a puppy get run over by a car.

while standing in line to vote......

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Voter suppression is hilarious isn't it?"

well, honestly??? At the moment it is......thanks for proving the hilarity.

#57 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Uh oh! It was so hilariously extreme! Is he a boazo now?

Yeah voter suppression is so hilarious and will never happen. Like roe v wade being overturned by a corrupt Supreme Court. That's hilarious too. Will never happen!

#63 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 01:27 PM | Reply

The very people you turned on because the orange carnival barker told you to.

It's funny how you genuinely believe we don't remember who or what you are.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I gots news for your shallow ass. Ive been here nearly 20 years and you will never find a post from me pandering to any of the Bushes or Cheneys. I never voted for them and I never agreed with their ------ wars. But here you are lying through your teeth and running cover for that horrible candidate who's getting chummy with those very people you're trying to link to me.

#64 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-05 01:28 PM | Reply

running cover for that horrible candidate who's getting chummy with those very people you're trying to link to me.

#64 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

If you are a Republican then you are already linked. By default.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 01:30 PM | Reply

"Will never happen!"

www.walmart.com

there there.....

LOL....I never said a thing about voter suppression except to agree it's real.

I just love the drama from whiny Boazlike posters like you and speak.

Just like Boaz.....a victim of what other Americans are doing........to you

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:33 PM | Reply

If you are a Republican then you are already linked. By default.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag

I'm an individual. Unlike you, I can make my own decisions without the tribe threatening me.

#67 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-05 01:37 PM | Reply

I gots news for your shallow ass. Ive been here nearly 20 years and you will never find a post from me pandering to any of the Bushes or Cheneys. I never voted for them and I never agreed with their ------ wars. But here you are lying through your teeth and running cover for that horrible candidate who's getting chummy with those very people you're trying to link to me.

#64 | Posted by lfthndthrds

He'll say the same about Trump someday.

#68 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-11-05 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you see no difference, you're a racist.

And if you pretend it's not happening, you're an enabling racist.

Forget it, he's a troll.

#69 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-11-05 01:45 PM | Reply

-I'm an individual.

Actually, you're an American individual.

we'll all be American individuals tomorrow, or whenever this gets settled.

Unfortunately there will be some holdouts as to acting like an actual American.

Won't be me. I'll be living with the results without throwing my pooo on my fellow Americans.

Boazboy will be in a poo throwing fight with his twin brother, Boaz.

#70 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:46 PM | Reply

-And if you pretend it's not happening, you're an enabling racist.

so if I don't pretend it's not happening, I'm NOT an enabling racist?

I get off that easily?

"Voter suppression! it's right there. I see it!"

-not an enabling racist

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 01:49 PM | Reply

Boazboy will be in a poo throwing fight with his twin brother, Boaz.

POSTED BY EBERLY

Don't kid yourself Beverly.

You are also my Other Self.

And you think you are above it all but when the maga feces hits the fan some of it will get on you, too.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 01:53 PM | Reply

"Voter suppression! it's right there. I see it!"

You could see it if you were actually looking instead of turning away.

Florida Senate Bill 90: Broad restrictions on mail voting

Georgia S.B. 202: A ban on food and water, plus subtle attacks on mail voting and local election officials

Iowa Senate File 413: Criminalizing election officials for protecting voters

Montana House Bill 176: Ending a popular policy for partisan reasons

Texas S.B. 1: Targeting Election Workers and Restricting Mail Voting

Care to guess which party sponsored those bills? And why?

If you are making voting more difficult for any Americans then you are doing it wrong.

#73 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 02:00 PM | Reply

It hasn't been close.

#74 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-05 02:01 PM | Reply

-Care to guess which party sponsored those bills? And why?

nope

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 02:05 PM | Reply

-And you think you are above it all but when the maga feces hits the fan some of it will get on you, too.

you mean I have to live in the same country as you with the same challenges?

Thanks for the lesson in adulthood.

#76 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 02:08 PM | Reply

you mean I have to live in the same country as you with the same challenges?

Thanks for the lesson in adulthood.
#76 | POSTED BY EBERLY

What can I say except, "You're welcome"
For the tides, the sun, the sky
Hey, it's okay, it's okay
You're welcome
I'm just an ordinary demi-guy

You're welcome!

#77 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 02:11 PM | Reply

-Care to guess which party sponsored those bills? And why?

nope

#75 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Of course not!

If you are not aware of it then it's not a problem.

For you.

#78 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 02:15 PM | Reply

I gots news for your shallow ass. Ive been here nearly 20 years and you will never find a post from me pandering to any of the Bushes or Cheneys. I never voted for them and I never agreed with their ------ wars. But here you are lying through your teeth and running cover for that horrible candidate who's getting chummy with those very people you're trying to link to me.

#64 | Posted by lfthndthrds

"I don't support the policies of the party I voted for!"

#79 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-11-05 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All MAGATS do is lie.

#80 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-05 02:21 PM | Reply

It looks like independents are breaking late toward Harris which means she will probably win.
#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-05 11:34 AM

I agree with the first part of your statement. I assert though, that Arab-Americans in Michigan and PA are going to vote for Stein. With that and the lower enthusiasm this cycle for Dems, I predict that MI, AZ, GA, and PA go to Trump.

#81 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-11-05 02:22 PM | Reply

#77 | Posted by donnerboy --- Thanks for that, I finally had the song out of my head and then I read it somewhere I least expected it. My granddaughter plays this movie on repeat ^_^

#82 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2024-11-05 02:23 PM | Reply

"I don't support the policies of the party I voted for!"

#79 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

"I never thought leopards would eat MY face, sobs Mr Turd, who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."

#83 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 02:26 PM | Reply

My granddaughter plays this movie on repeat ^_^

#82 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

I love that movie. And that song. But my wife doesn't anymore. I think I wore it out on her.

But I still use it from time to time. Because it's so great.

And well ... you're welcome!

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 02:29 PM | Reply

"I don't support the policies of the party I voted for!"

I could say that about the democrats any given day.

I don't support 100% of what democrats do....but I'll vote for them.

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 02:31 PM | Reply

Elon Musk: "If Kamala Harris wins, I may have to shutdown X"

#86 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 02:48 PM | Reply

#5

"Easy. America is still a racist / misogynistic nation..."

How about...

Easy. The Democrats keep trotting out horrible candidates even though this should have been a slam dunk.

#87 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2024-11-05 02:53 PM | Reply

Unlike you, I can make my own decisions without the tribe threatening me.

POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Only if your "decisions" don't include publicly dissing the garbage can man.

#88 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- keep trotting out horrible candidates

Let us know when she tries to overturn the election with violence and Fake Electors... which is the standard for horrible candidates these days.

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-05 03:06 PM | Reply

-which is the standard for horrible candidates these days.

well, it's your standard.

I think many here, including me, have the bar set a little higher.

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 03:09 PM | Reply

You know, I rarely watch major tv news channels... but is Wolf B. like 80 now?

At least he's got a young guy doing the maps.

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-05 03:10 PM | Reply

I never voted for them and I never agreed with their ------ wars. But here you are lying through your teeth and running cover for that horrible candidate who's getting chummy with those very people you're trying to link to me.

#64 | Posted by lfthndthrds

LOL you never supported Iraq/Afghanistan? Never called anti-war people from 2001 through 2016 commies and marxists and blah blah blahs?

I doubt it.

Maybe Hans will use his way back machine and dig up some of your posts in support of those wars over the years.

Funny how none of you -------- support them now but it was was all shrill, 'why do you hate the troops' nonsense when it was going on...

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#90

YOUR Party begs to disagree.

#93 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-05 03:11 PM | Reply

Boazboy will be in a poo throwing fight with his twin brother, Boaz.

#70 | Posted by eberly

Who's Boazboy?

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 03:12 PM | Reply

93

I was speaking for myself, of course.

Just like you were.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 03:15 PM | Reply

94

Donnerboy

The mirror image of Boaz.

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Exit polls at 5:00.

Hopefully Trumpers don't fall for the actual results favoring the R EARLY, as they always do since rural areas vote faster.

That's what Trump did last time... claimed victory early and then claimed the usual late Blue Surge from cities was Fake News.

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-05 03:18 PM | Reply

Maybe Hans will use his way back machine and dig up some of your posts in support of those wars over the years.

Funny how none of you -------- support them now but it was was all shrill, 'why do you hate the troops' nonsense when it was going on...

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-05 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I certainly hope he does. You'd have to shut that pie hole of yours.

#98 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-05 04:48 PM | Reply

Donnerboy

The mirror image of Boaz.

#96 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Being in opposition of ignorance does make you a mirror image of that ignorance.

If that were true I would also be a Beverlyboy.

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 06:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

------- stock tanked today and trading had to be stopped.

The investment crowd smells his blood in the water

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-05 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MollyBoy

www.youtube.com

#101 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-05 06:16 PM | Reply

Years ago somebody told Trump voters they were special and they didn't realize they meant special as in need of special education and grew into narcissism preventing them from realizing they made a mistake the last two times they voted for trump.

#102 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-05 06:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag: Yeah, Newsworthy

#103 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 06:49 PM | Reply

-Being in opposition of ignorance does make you a mirror image of that ignorance.

FF

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 06:52 PM | Reply

Donnerboy is a serious person.

Boaz and Eberly? It's Complicated.

They both have a point at times, but it's lost in their rationalizations of Bad Policy.

Eberly minimizes serious problems and Boaz is just not willing to think things all the way Through but he's sometimes quite on point about some things.

IMHO.

#105 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-11-05 06:56 PM | Reply

#99 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-11-05 06:08 PM

Apologies for not coming to your defense earlier.

#106 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 06:58 PM | Reply

:40

#107 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 07:00 PM | Reply

:30

#108 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 07:00 PM | Reply

:20

#109 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 07:00 PM | Reply

:10

#110 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 07:00 PM | Reply

NOW

#111 | Posted by Hans at 2024-11-05 07:01 PM | Reply

106

Once you get 3 or 4 more to help out it might get closer to being a fair fight.

#112 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 07:01 PM | Reply

-Eberly minimizes serious problems

That's 1 way of looking at it.

Another way is that I don't minimize the problems. I just laugh at the hysterics that have nothing to do, and can never contribute to the solutions.

#113 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 07:04 PM | Reply

-Apologies for not coming to your defense earlier.

Even Hans knows you can't hang, Boazboy.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2024-11-05 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donnerboy is a serious person.

This is comedy gold!

#115 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-11-05 11:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Harris with 16 million less votes than Biden 2020.

#116 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-11-06 07:48 AM | Reply

I heard Trump won. Probably disinformation.

#117 | Posted by beavercleaver at 2024-11-06 08:03 AM | Reply

Harris with 16 million less votes than Biden 2020.

#116 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Harris had zero messaging for working class men.

Not surprising.

#118 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-11-06 12:58 PM | Reply

Harris had zero messaging for working class men.

Not surprising.

#118 | Posted by Sycophant

as opposed to -------- concepts of a plan? ---- off with that ----.

#119 | Posted by truthhurts at 2024-11-06 01:11 PM | Reply

In retrospect, it wasn't close at all. Trump took all but 2 swing states...and it's looking likely that he will take those as well once the votes are tallied.

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2024-11-06 01:40 PM | Reply

it was ridiculously close. He is taking swing states by the statistical margin of error in each poll. You have an odd way of looking at reality.

#121 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-06 01:53 PM | Reply

"It was ridiculously close. He is taking swing states by the statistical margin of error in each poll. You have an odd way of looking at reality.
#121 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2024-11-06 01:53 PM"

Appropriately, TCM is showing the movie Gaslight' tonight.

#122 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2024-11-06 09:53 PM | Reply

@#121 ,i> ... it was ridiculously close. He is taking swing states by the statistical margin of error in each poll. ...

Yup.

And that is how I have been characterizing the polls leading up to Election Day.

It is looking like the polls were correct.

The issue seems to be the "prediction" websites .


#123 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-06 10:24 PM | Reply

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