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Revolutionary technology is breaking out of the lab. The British government has announced that it is deploying a top-secret quantum clock, developed by the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl), across the military over the next five years.

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Developed at the top-secret Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl), this quantum clock will reduce the reliance on GPS technology, which can be disrupted or blocked. ukdefencejournal.org.uk/massive-brit ...

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... There was a time when atomic clocks looked like pretty hot stuff. By measuring time based on the frequency of cesium-133 atoms, it was possible to build a clock that would only gain or lose a single second in 300 million years. However, compared to a quantum clock, atomic clocks are as accurate as a one-dollar antique pocket watch that's been whacked several times with a coal hammer.

By measuring how atoms jump between specific energy states, a quantum clock can reach an accuracy of gaining or losing one second in 30 billion years. That's a billion with a 'b."

It's a technology that has a lot of potential and the British military is keen to exploit it as soon as possible because it can set modern warfare on a timetable measured in nanoseconds. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-12 11:40 PM | Reply

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... Physicists imagine a day when they will be able to design a clock that's so precise, it can detect dark matter.

Physicists imagine a day when they will be able to design a clock that's so precise, it will be used to detect subtle disturbances in space-time or to find the elusive dark matter that tugs on everything yet emits no light. The ticking of this clock will be almost perfect.

That dream may not be far off: A group of researchers has created a clock that, with some tweaks, could be four to five times more precise than the world's best clocks. To put that into perspective, if today's most precise clocks started ticking at the birth of the universe, they would be off by only half a second today; with more improvements, this new clock has the potential to be off by only 0.1 second.

"Atomic clocks are by far the most precise instruments mankind has ever made by many orders of magnitude," said Vladan Vuleti, a professor of physics at MIT and senior author of a recent paper describing the work. Now, "we are pushing this boundary" further, he added. ...



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-12 11:44 PM | Reply

When I read things like this I wonder what the accuracy is compared to, the clock will not gain or lose the relative to what? The physics you tubes I watch tell me there is no absolute time and that time varies with motion, acceleration and gravity.

#3 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2025-01-12 11:56 PM | Reply

@#3 ... When I read things like this I wonder what the accuracy is compared to, the clock will not gain or lose the relative to what? ...

That is a great point to raise.

To explain my view, allow me to take a step back and bore you with a true story from a prior life of mine ...

OK, I was responsible for the engineering aspect of IT in a company I worked for. As such, i had many conversations with the manager in charge of the IT operations and also the techs in IT who toiled to keep things running.

One time I was trying to track down an anomaly that seemed to occur with three different servers in the computer room.

As I tried to trace the ~event~ among those servers, one of the first things I noticed was that the timestamps on the system logs were, I'll be kind, not in agreement.

Stated differently, an event that I knew occurred at the same time on three servers was presented in the logs of those servers as occurring a couple minutes apart.

So, I asked a question ... how are the clocks on those servers set. The answer was, when the server is started, the tech inserts the time from their watch.

That ain't good. When trying to trace events across multiple servers, the time clocks of those servers need to agree within a needed resolution.

So, I raised an issue, and the IT manager then put into place a substantial NTP infrastructure for the servers in the company.

The company servers were now all within milliseconds of each other, which made trouble-shooting so much easier. Because I could then look at the log files and see how things occurred relative to other events. (kudos to you if you are still hanging in here)

OK, that is a long way around to saying a simple thing, if you want to look at what is happening concurrently, the clock you use must provide the resolution you need to attain that goal.



ponsible for the engineering aspect of IT in a company I worked for. As such, I had many conversations with the manager in charge of the IT operations and also the techs in IT who toiled to keep things running.

One time I was trying to track down an anomaly that seemed to occur with three different servers in the computer room.

As I tried to trace the ~event~ among those servers, one of the first things I noticed was that the timestamps on the system logs were, I'll be kind, not in agreement.

Stated differently, an event that I knew occurred at the same time on two servers was presented in the logs of those two servers as occurring a couple minutes apart.

So, I asked a question ... how are the clocks on those servers set. The answer was, when the server is started, the tech inserts the time from their watch.

I raised an issue, and the IT manager then put into place a substantial NTP infrastructure for the servers on the company. They were now all within milliseconds of each other, which made trouble-shooting so much easier. Because I could then look at the log files and see how things occurred relative to other events. (kudos to you if you are still hanging in here)

OK, that is a long way around to saying a simple thing, if you want to look at what is happening concurrently, the clock you use must provide the resolution you need to attain that goal.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-13 12:20 AM | Reply

@#4

Wow, I messed up the cut 'n' paste on that one.

Ignore or enjoy everything after... "OK, that is a long way around to saying a simple thing, if you want to look at what is happening concurrently, the clock you use must provide the resolution you need to attain that goal."

That additional stuff was off-screen when I chose to submit the comment.

Apologies.


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-13 12:23 AM | Reply

I worked in communications, time was not so critical but frequency was. We had various systems that didn't agree on time, but that wasn't so important for what we did. They eventually got us an atomic clock,. standard rubidium, so we knew the correct frequency, then something happened to some other part of the company and we inherited four more rubidium standards and we never knew which one was right. I don't remember how time was set on the various systems, but they wouldn't stay in sync. One had a quartz clock, the rest I forget.

Anyway I'm still puzzled how people can say how accurate their clock is -mostly I don't worry much about it except I am a pedant.

#6 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2025-01-13 01:25 AM | Reply

Oh, when they get around to dropping the big ones on London or New York or Washington DC, I kinda figure being off by a few feet won't matter, and when Trump has the First Marine Division invade Greedland...sorry, Greenland, NATO will be toast and...
Well, imagine the movie Wargames, with a different, no so cheery ending.

#7 | Posted by Hughmass at 2025-01-14 06:54 AM | Reply

How is it 'top secret?' Or to put it differently, is it formerly top secret?

#8 | Posted by mattm at 2025-01-14 03:09 PM | Reply

How is it 'top secret?' Or to put it differently, is it formerly top secret?

#8 | POSTED BY MATTM

The idea is not a secret. The way it is accomplished is.

The problem with a quantum anything is that it has to be isolated from the universe somehow. Due to decoherence annd entanglement issues. Any interaction with any atoms not part of the clock will change it and cause superposition to fail.

We humans have always measured earth time relative to our solar cycle which is very inaccurate and varies.

And quantum time like atomic time is "relative" to is the "heartbeat" of atoms which is the ticking of the universe's clock. In this case it is the energy states of atoms which is apparently much more precise and constant than the frequency of crystal atom vibrations.

Your questions about speed and gravity effects are on point. Atomic clocks have the same relativistic issues that need to be accounted for. These have to be included in any calculations. We all live in time bubbles but the relativity effects only grow apparent at certain distances from the center of the time bubbles but they still have to be accounted for to keep the clocks accurate in your time bubble.

If you take a quantum clock to the edge of an event horizon of a black hole I would imagine it will slow down and stop at some point (relative to us in our time bubble) like everything else would at that location in space-time.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-01-15 11:02 AM | Reply

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