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"The prime numbers [ ... ] are the solutions of infinitely many special Diophantine equations' in well-studied partition functions," they explain in their new paper.

"In other words, integer partitions detect the primes in infinitely many natural ways."

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More from the cited article ...

... In the third century BCE, a clever Greek chap by the name of Eratosthenes came up with a novel new piece of mathematics: a "sieve", by which one could painstakingly trawl through every integer in order and discard any with more than two factors, leaving only the primes behind.

It was smart for the time -- but objectively, you've gotta admit it's pretty elementary. No offence to Eratosthenes, but that's probably exactly the method a schoolchild would use to find and list the primes, too. But here's the thing: more than two millennia later, it's still one of the best methods we have for the task. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-22 09:12 PM | Reply

@#1 ... you've gotta admit it's pretty elementary. ...

No, what you've gotta admit is that we have learned a lot since then.

OK, moving on ...

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-22 09:13 PM | Reply

@#2

More from the cited article ...

... It's a testament to just how peculiar and pesky the primes are. Finding any kind of sense or pattern to these numbers has, for centuries, been mathematics' white whale: cropping up seemingly randomly in the number line, they evade prediction and categorization, forming a natural blockade against progress in myriad open problems.

At least, until recently. Last year, a trio of mathematicians found what seemed to be a kind of order in the primes -- and it came from somewhere completely unexpected.

"This paper connects two fundamental areas of number theory: prime numbers and partitions," said Ken Ono, Marvin Rosenblum Professor of Mathematics at the University of Virginia and one of the authors behind the new discovery, in a recent statement.

"Although prime numbers have been studied for centuries, many of their most basic properties remain elusive," he said. "What we proved gives infinitely many new ways to detect prime numbers without having to check divisibility, which is one of the reasons primes are so difficult to detect." ...



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-22 09:21 PM | Reply

@#3

... and that matters... why?

Maybe this ...

Yet more from the cited article ...

... It's big news " so much so that Ono was named as a runner up for the 2025 Cozzarelli Prize in the physical sciences, which recognizes teams "whose PNAS articles have made outstanding contributions to their field." So it behooves us to ask, really: what's the big deal? ...

"Large prime numbers are used prominently in other cryptosystems too," Weiss, who was not involved in the new research, added.

The basic idea behind all these systems is the same, though: it relies on the fact that finding primes is a very difficult task. After all these years, finding some kind of new insight into them would require a really innovative perspective -" something nobody had tried before.

Luckily, that's exactly what Ono and his colleagues had. ...


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-22 09:23 PM | Reply

@$4 ... "Large prime numbers are used prominently in other cryptosystems too ...

Yeah, security systems seem to rely on prime numbers not being able to be factored.

Does this change that?

I wish I knew. I've not yet delved into the paper.

But it has certainly gained my attention.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-22 09:26 PM | Reply

Huh. Let a, b and c be integers with a0 and b0, and let d=gcd(a,b). If d does not divide c, then the linear Diophantine equation ax+by=c has no solution.

I'll have to take your word on that one.

#6 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-06-22 09:33 PM | Reply

That should read "a != 0, b != 0". gcd means greatest common divisor.

#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-06-22 09:39 PM | Reply

@#6 ... I'll have to take your word on that one. ...

I'm not proffering anything, so no reason to take my word on anything on this thread.

All I am saying is that if it seems to be easier to factor prime numbers, then that will have an effect upon the security algorithms that crypto-security seems to rely on.

Nothing more, nothing less.


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-22 09:46 PM | Reply

#8 Not you, "them". As in "they" (but not the gender "they").

I think they are saying because 4=1+1+1+1 and 2+2 and 2+1+1, you only have to look for primes in it's greatest common divisor, like 2?

I'm going to find this paper. A lot of times math like this goes beyond my pay grade but it's still fun to try to understand.

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2025-06-22 10:00 PM | Reply

@#9 ... A lot of times math like this goes beyond my pay grade but it's still fun to try to understand. ...

You and me both.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-06-22 10:09 PM | Reply

Math is hard

#11 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2025-06-23 02:44 PM | Reply

Yeah, security systems seem to rely on prime numbers not being able to be factored.
Does this change that?
I wish I knew. I've not yet delved into the paper.
But it has certainly gained my attention.
#5 | Posted by LampLighter

Easily factoring multiples of large prime numbers is also under threat from quantum computing. And while there are quantum safe encryption methods that the big names have already advised the public to start using, it seems like we're going to a place where no encryption lasts forever.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-06-23 10:12 PM | Reply

So I looked up how to find if it's a prime number, surely there's a Wikipedia article for that.
Primality Test
en.wikipedia.org

The fastest current test for if a number is prime is order (log n)^6, where n is the very large prime number.

Reading the paper "Integer partitions detect the primes"
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2409417121
They present a cubic equation, aka order n^3.

So whether a cubic equation in n, which is a very large prime, is faster than a sixth power equation in log n, which would be a much smaller number, I really couldn't say, but I wouldn't be surprised if this finds its way into computer science.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-06-23 10:32 PM | Reply

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