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Sunday, November 23, 2025

The U.S. and Ukraine made "meaningful progress toward aligning positions" on President Trump's proposed peace plan during their talks in Geneva on Sunday, the two countries said in a joint statement issued by the White House.

"Final decisions under this framework will be made by the Presidents of Ukraine and the United States," Sunday night's joint statement read.

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The joint statement said that "as a result of the discussions, the parties drafted an updated and refined peace framework."

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"The White House issued a statement after Sunday's talks concluded, saying:

"Ukrainian representatives stated that, based on the revisions and clarifications presented today, they believe the current draft reflects their national interests and provides credible and enforceable mechanisms to safeguard Ukraine's security in both the near and long term."

"In a statement after the talks, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said his delegation had "thorough discussions" with U.S. officials.

"A lot is changing: we are working very carefully. It is important that there is dialogue with the American representatives, and there are signals that President Trump's team is hearing us," he said.

Later Sunday, Ukrainian officials presented a counterproposal with requests for changes to Trump's plan and the U.S. expressed willingness to make some changes based on this, a source with knowledge of the talks said."

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It's not nice to fool Mother Russia.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2025-11-23 11:20 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, the Axios article cited is pay-walled.

imo, shameful for Axios.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-23 11:21 PM | Reply

Non-paywalled ...

US and Ukraine announce updated' framework to end Russia's war
www.aljazeera.com

... The United States and Ukraine have announced a revised framework for ending the Russia-Ukraine war after an earlier proposal by Washington drew criticism for being too favourable to Moscow.

US and Ukrainian officials said on Sunday that they agreed that any deal to end Russia's war should "fully uphold" Ukraine's sovereignty as they unveiled an "updated and refined peace framework" that was scant on details.

"Both sides agreed the consultations were highly productive. The discussions showed meaningful progress toward aligning positions and identifying clear next steps," officials said in a joint statement following talks in Geneva, adding that the sides agreed on the need for a "sustainable and just peace".

Washington and Kyiv also reiterated their readiness to keep working together to "secure a peace that ensures Ukraine's security, stability, and reconstruction", the joint statement said. ...


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-24 12:06 AM | Reply

That's good progress.

But my main question still remains ...

Is Pres Trump's agreement on anything worth the oxygen it took to utter it?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-24 12:08 AM | Reply

Also non-paywalled...

In Geneva, US and Ukraine officials report progress on ending Russia's war but offer few specifics
apnews.com

... Top U.S. and Ukrainian officials said Sunday they'd made progress toward ending the Russia-Ukraine war but provided scant details after discussing the American proposal to achieve peace that has sparked concerns among many of Washington's European allies that the plan is too conciliatory to Moscow.

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said high-stakes talks in Geneva were "very worthwhile" and constituted the most productive day in "a very long time."

"I feel very optimistic that we can get something done," Rubio said.

But he offered very little information on what was discussed. He also downplayed a Thursday deadline set by President Donald Trump for Ukraine to respond to the plan, saying simply that officials want to see fighting stop as soon as possible and that officials could keep negotiating Monday and beyond. He said that higher-level officials may eventually have to get involved. ...


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-11-24 12:31 AM | Reply

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