Legally always brings so much of value to the discussion

I'll state now for future evidence in any debate...

Tom Homan is the border czar.

If I ever try to walk that back in a debate with Tony, please use this against me.

It's hysterical to me just how blind truth is to the the fact that all of the vile and vicious things they are blasting over every thread in sight is the exact reason that people have moved away from the democratic party in this election.

"That doesn't surprise me. You seem to be anti-establishment. If a major party can't produce a candidate you can actually support (as opposed to voting the lesser of two evils) it's pretty much a middle finger vote from you. It's not pragmatic but I appreciate the principle behind it."

I'll offer that Laura is exactly right here.

Look at the shake up that Kamala under performing Joe's numbers from four years ago has caused. Imagine if more had voted for a 3rd party. Imagine if it happened to Trump too.

Both of the major parties need more of the message the DNC got a taste of this go 'round.

I think it's the most pragmatic thing the voting public could do at this point.

Phone freak out ... didn't mean to post 4 stories

Interesting edit ... . The missing part "insert rant about trump, a trump deflection and an attack on the electorate"

Article: incumbents around the globe are losing here's why it affected Harris too

The Retort Left: Harris lost be because

Further pushing the moderate middle away from them.

"It is about the comments you post."

do enlighten me...

So far my basic stance is that Trump is a horrible candidate, but the far left was to wrapped up in appeasing the extremes of their party that they fumbled what should have been a cake walk re-election.

Kamala lost because she was despite rising to VP an unknown entity and at every opportunity to show who she would be as president she failed to do so. This further distanced her from connecting with voters.

Please explain now how that makes someone a MAGAT?

"how many people who have voted for Pres-elect Trump will now try to assert they did not vote for him?"

Go look at the receipts... I posted multiple times here that I live in MA, and it was going for Harris. I hate both candidates, and my vote was going to a third party in my own private protest of not voting for either. Usually it's a throw away, but there are multiple posts discussing just how did Harris get so many less votes than Biden did four years ago. The wake up call to both parties I'm trying to send actually started to resonate a bit. Imagine now if more people did the same thing? After this election one of the major parties is being asked, why did you lose voters... If only both parties had to be doing the same thing.

If you look back at my posts you'll see that's been the common thread... the parties are out of touch with the majority of the country and beholden to extreme bases.

"why do you apparently want to divert the topic of discussion from what has been queried of you?"

There was no real discussion directed at me... Truth is just slinging insults, and asked what Trump is going to do for me...

1. this thread is about the DNC being introspective about the plunge in Latino numbers, so it's a deflection not a question.

2. I don't need to list what he'll do for me, I didn't want him, didn't vote for him.

So in a debate about why the DNC should be looking inward at why they didn't connect with various parts of the voting public I was the one staying on topic.

you know lashing out at everyone who isn't a far left nutjob like you isn't a winning strategy... See recent election.

You can call me magat scum all you want, didn't vote for him. I just don't have head up my own ass so far that I'm unable to look around and assess what the DNC did wrong.

But go on with your losing strategy. It's hilarious to watch

Has anyone done a wellness check on Tony?

watching Truth absolutely f'n implode is beyond precious

soft... just soft

224 ...

You think those are my points? I'm getting that from moderate to left leaning news sources.

Poke your head out of the echo chamber and see what EVERYONE else sees and acknowledges

Other than Harris being a black woman of Southeast Asian/ Jamaican descent

1. Ran on identity politics... Other than her being that, what did she do to convince people to vote for her? Ramble incoherently with word salad answers? laugh halfway through each of those rambling points? She ran as the new generation of leadership, but when asked the softball question of what she would have done differently from Biden on the view her answer was "I can't think of anything". When asked questions that would help clarify what new direction she would bring all she could do was Blame Trump. How the hell is what trump did four years ago relevant to what she would like to accomplish? She outed herself as someone that had risen above their level of competence in an election that was turning into a referendum on the incumbent party. The DNC is more invested in identity politics issues than the one tale as old as time political quote now "it's about the economy stupid".

I've led you to water... try and drink.

But I'm not really sure the echo chamber here has it in them to actually be self reflective when viewing their party.

#40...

Interesting how you get to that from Dems can't just write off working class white guys.

How you got there is why Kamala lost, and if the DNC can't get the far left echo chamber out of it's leadership it's why you'll lose again in four years.

Stop vilifying the other side, and come up with a less extreme far left platform, note I didn't say go far right, and it will be an easy victory most likely.

But I guarantee some deflection to Trump will be the retort to all this.

"And you refuse to acknowledge that your cult leader spent 4 years calling the last election rigged, preferring to destroy faith in democracy over admitting he lost." -Speaksoftly

How many times do I have to say I didn't support Trump? So he's certainly not my cult leader.

How hard is it for you to look inward at your own party and acknowledge that the campaign it ran had many glaring shortcomings. Why is it not possible for you to do that with out you knee starting to jerk and your mouth to suddenly start yelling but but but Trump...

The complete inability to self reflect is absolutely amazing.

Trump was a known entity and Kamala was a much more unknown... People wanted someone to vote for, and she never gave them a clear answer on just about anything and therefore someone to vote for.

Low voter turnout is a clear message... we want a better candidate to come out for. Acknowledging that is a harder pill than just yelling racist/sexism though.

you too Rcade... ?

We are not insinuating that Joe's number was artificially high. We are saying that Kamala was not a good candidate and Dems stayed home rather than vote for her.

Is the echo chamber you all are in so loud that you can't recognize she was just a bad candidate?

I said nothing about rigged elections, never claimed 2020 was rigged, none of that...

The Dems problem in a nutshell... They have an echo chamber in the DNC, and just like Speak, they refuse to acknowledge that Kamala was a bad candidate and will instead talk about the patriarch, racism, this-ism, that-ism...

Joe got about 80m she got about 66m votes... without fever dreams about rigged elections and stolen votes... why did she get so many less?

what happened to the ability to answer a question?...

How about it Speak... why did Kamala's vote total go down so much from Joe's?

Could it be that it wasn't because she's black or a woman, and just that she didn't resonate with the base? Possibly because she couldn't articulate what her plan was?

These results were not a surprise to everyone.

I've debated with Tony for months now that she was a trash candidate, and he and every die hard D stuffed their heads in the sand and shouted lalalalalalala.

This election was a rebuke on being told who they were going to accept. For a while I thought she'd win, but as it got closer it was slipping away quickly.

Trumps total from 4 years ago are about the same, but Kamala didn't come close to Bidens numbers. You want to blame tHe StUpId FiFtY PeRcEnT... but you really need to be looking at yourselves. You put a bad candidate up that couldn't hold the base together. Period.

So I just want to get this straight... the left is advocating to allow the flow of virtual slave labor, to keep prices low?

Regardless of outcome, at this point this isn't aging well.

#5

"Easy. America is still a racist / misogynistic nation..."

How about...

Easy. The Democrats keep trotting out horrible candidates even though this should have been a slam dunk.