Thursday, October 17, 2024

Trump Likely to Challenge Any Election Loss

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says that if he does not win the Nov. 5 election, he will cry fraud and not accept the results -- just as he did four years ago when he lost to Democratic President Joe Biden.

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... "If I lose - I'll tell you what, it's possible. Because they cheat. That's the only way we're gonna lose, because they cheat," Trump said at a Michigan rally in September.

A refusal by Trump to accept a Harris victory could throw the United States into political instability at a time when the
country is already deeply divided.

After Trump lost the 2020 election, he and his allies attempted to overturn the result through dozens of lawsuits that ultimately failed to alter or delay the vote count.

He also pressured officials in Georgia to find more votes for him; and his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 in a failed effort to stop his vice president, Mike Pence, from certifying Biden's victory.

One key difference this time is that Trump does not have the presidential levers of power that he did in 2020. And new state and federal laws have been put in place to make it more difficult to influence election results.

Still, Trump and his allies have been laying the groundwork for months to cry foul if he loses on Nov. 5. He could contest a win by his Democratic rival Kamala Harris in the courts or raise doubts about the validity of her victory among supporters that could have unforeseen consequences. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-16 03:35 PM

Wouldn't Trump throwing another Coup Tantrum be a great time for Vlad to hit Ukraine hard and or Iran to attack Israel?

No one could have predicted.....

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-16 04:00 PM

Just put on some Slim Whitman.

#3 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-16 10:30 PM

We need to recognie that Trump is not legitimately challenging vote counts; he is trying to kill democracy just like his mentor in Russia has done.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-18 06:52 AM

This idiot thinks immigrants can vote ...

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2024-10-18 02:05 PM

He couldn't pull off a coup when he was president. He's not going to pull one off now.

My concern level about what he's going to do when he loses is zero.

#7 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-10-18 05:35 PM

#7 | Posted by DarkVader at 2024-10-18 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Instant Review of Post

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-18 05:41 PM

@#7 ... He couldn't pull off a coup when he was president. He's not going to pull one off now. ...

Yeah, I agree, fmr Pres Trump's ability to pull off a coup are diminished because he is not the sitting President.

That aside, there seem to be other plans in place...

OpEd: In Case of an Election Crisis, This Is What You Need to Know
www.nytimes.com

... In 2020, when Donald Trump questioned the results of the election, the courts decisively rejected his efforts, over and over again. In 2024, the judicial branch may be unable to save our democracy.

The rogues are no longer amateurs. They have spent the last four years going pro, meticulously devising a strategy across multiple fronts -- state legislatures, Congress, executive branches and elected judges -- to overturn any close election.

The new challenges will take place in forums that have increasingly purged officials who put country over party. They may take place against the backdrop of razor-thin election margins in key swing states, meaning that any successful challenge could change the election.

We have just a few short weeks to understand these challenges so that we can be vigilant about them.

First, in the courts, dozens of suits have already been filed. Litigation in Pennsylvania has begun over whether undated mail-in ballots are permissible and whether provisional ballots can be allowed.

Stephen Miller, a former Trump adviser, has brought suit in Arizona claiming that judges should be able to throw out election results. ...

[emphasis mine]


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-18 05:57 PM

@#9

Another view of the OpEd ...

Former acting solicitor general warns of potential election crisis'
thehill.com

... Former Acting U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal sounded the alarm Wednesday about potential dangers surrounding the 2024 election cycle, warning the "crisis" could be worse than the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riots.

"I think we are looking at a very possible constitutional crisis and one that's going to make January 6, 2021, look like a dress rehearsal," Katyal said Wednesday morning in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"And this year, the rogues have had four years to go pro and perfect the big lie."

He joined the outlet to discuss his new op-ed published Wednesday in The New York Times, where the former executive questioned former President Trump's efforts to remain in power in 2020 and forewarned of new challenges ahead of Election Day, now less than three weeks away.

"So, I wrote this piece, I think it's the most important piece I've ever written, because I'm really wanting to warn the American people about what very well may happen on November 5th and then the days to come," Katyal told the host. "And we shouldn't be surprised when Donald Trump sends out his lawyers to challenge everything." ...



#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-18 06:04 PM

He couldn't pull off a coup when he was president. He's not going to pull one off now.

My concern level about what he's going to do when he loses is zero.

#7 | Posted by DarkVader

The republican party still had an ounce of shame and ethics when he attempted his coup.
Now they dont.

His supreme court picks said he is above the law to keep him out of jail.

His entire party voted against impeaching him.

His cult has been prepping for 4 years to steal this election.

Everyone who has said "trump would never ______" always ends up looking like a fool.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-18 06:35 PM

We should have enough new voters from our open borders to ensure permanent globalist tyranny.
Say goodbye to your personal choices, everything from the food you eat to the transportation and housing you are allowed will be dictated by the proper authorities.

#5 | Posted by commnotes

Whoever told you that illegal immigrants can vote lied to you. YOu should stop listening to them if you want to avoid looking like a fool.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-18 06:36 PM

#10

Pildes rains on Katyal's parade.

A recent essay Neal Katyal authored in the New York Times is a good illustration of these anxieties. Katyal raised several nightmare scenarios for "a potential election crisis" under which, in his view, corrupt partisan actors could seek to deprive Vice President Kamala Harris of a lawful victory, if in fact she wins the election. But in each of the scenarios Katyal raises, the guardrails that are already in place should temper these concerns.
www.lawfaremedia.org

#13 | Posted by et_al at 2024-10-18 06:42 PM

"...the guardrails that are already in place should temper these concerns."

Should is carrying A LOT of weight.

For example, what would've happened if Pence sent it back to the states, and SCOTUS decided "not to get involved"...?

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-18 06:45 PM

@#11 ... The republican party still had an ounce of shame and ethics when he attempted his coup.
Now they dont. ...

A song that just popped up on a playlist here. There's a part of the lyrics that reminded me on the current Republican Party...

Switchfoot - Meant to Live (2003)
www.youtube.com

Lyrics excerpt...

genius.com

...
Fumbling his confidence
And wondering why the world has passed him by
Hoping that he's bent for more than arguments
And failed attempts to fly, fly

[Chorus]
We were meant to live for so much more
Have we lost ourselves?

Somewhere we live inside
Somewhere we live inside

We were meant to live for so much more
Have we lost ourselves?
...


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-18 06:49 PM

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-18 06:35 PM

With each and every +0.05% in the popular vote that Harris receives (above the Kumquat Pol Pot), the more the pro-Trump forces pre-election fraud "insinuations" lose their efficacy.

At some point, they're rendered impotent.

#16 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-18 06:49 PM

For example, what would've happened if Pence sent it back to the states, and SCOTUS decided "not to get involved"...?

You should try RTFA.

#17 | Posted by et_al at 2024-10-18 06:58 PM

@#13 ... "...the guardrails that are already in place should temper these concerns." ...

Oh, I agree, there are guardrails.

But, how long will it take for those guardrails to push the errant vehicle back on the road? Days? Weeks, (gasp) Months?

And what about the confusion that the MAGA social media disinformation machine will sow during that time?

As I said previously, the MAGA social media disinformation machine seemed to be using hurricanes Helene and Milton as a beta-test for what they want to do for the election results.

So, yes, I completely agree with your comment about their being guardrails in place.

The question I ask is twofold: how long will the guardrails take to work? What happens until they might work? (and I say "might" because by the time they work, it may be too late)


#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-18 07:00 PM

For comments about guardrails, see...

drudge.com

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-18 07:12 PM

Let him sit on a stage listening to Hitler's Greatest Hits, swaying out of time, until he shuts his pants and needs another shot of Adderall. Then hang him.

#20 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-18 10:22 PM

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