Tuesday, October 22, 2024

Trump leads every Swing State, +20 against Harris in betting

As we approach 2 weeks from the Election Day, Trump leads the aggregate swing state polling with comfortable leads and has now reached +20 in betting averages across multiple betting sites for President. It begs the question ... Was removing Biden a mistake? Time will tell ...

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According to these same wrong betting books, Trump was supposed to run away with it in 2020. Because some rich ------- dumps 18 million betting on Trump please explain how that equals a Trump win.

Betting books are even a worse predictor of future results than polling is.

But you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

#1 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-10-22 01:04 AM

That's cool, now explain the swing state polling.

#2 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 01:09 AM

@#2 ... now explain the swing state polling. ...

Simple.

It is called, Margin of Error.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-22 01:29 AM

Lamp, you know damn well she isn't hitting the numbers needed to win those states.

#4 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 01:34 AM

Biden was +7.5 in National Polling at this time and barely won, she's at +.9 she's toast.

#5 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 01:36 AM

@#4 ... you know damn well ...

And your current alias seems to know what I know "damn well" ...

How?

And, of course, that leads me to another question...

What other assumptions has your current alias made based upon a lack of information?


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-22 01:38 AM

Enjoy the next two weeks Lamp, I know I will ;D

#7 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 01:43 AM

" explain the swing state polling"

Dobbs, and the fact it's in every media outlet's interest to ignore that effect as long as possible.

Look for polls striving for accuracy to all move left at the 11th hour.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-10-22 03:13 AM

Ohhh A_Monson ... call me the Super Market because I have receipts to your claim about 2020. You morons really need to fact check before spouting BS on the betting market ...

www.realclearpolitics.com

#9 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 04:05 AM

----------, explain why your prediction of victories for Laxalt, Oz and Walker blew up in your MAGAt face.

#10 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-22 04:06 AM

Rein, please explain to me how the betting market correctly predicted Biden's victory but somehow the betting market is wrong now.

#11 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 04:15 AM

----------, explain why Harris is kicking the ---- out of the------------- in early voting.

#12 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-22 04:17 AM

Because Democrats do the majority of Early Voting while Republicans tend to vote on Election Day? Are you retarded? That's literally a well known trend.

#13 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 04:22 AM

You're the drooling -------- who predicted Herschel Walker would win his senate race. What happened?

#14 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-22 04:25 AM

Again Rein, why was the betting market correct in 2020 but wrong now in 2024?

#15 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 04:31 AM

----------, how would you rate Dr. Oz as a senator?

#16 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-22 04:38 AM

No clue, he didn't win. Instead the Stroke victim turned into a conservative pro-Israel Democrat who trolls his former progressive friends. Even Fetterman has been sounding the alarm on Trump winning PA and Casey putting out ads saying he agreed with Trump in his commercials. Harris is ------- toast dude.

#17 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 04:43 AM

Women are going to bury your child-raping hero. Let's hope you ------------ cop killers don't stage a repeat of J6.

#18 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-10-22 05:02 AM

Time will tell, it sure ain't looking good for Harris. Dick Cheney was her kiss of death. Congratulations to Democrats on becoming what they hated ... NeoCons.

#19 | Posted by Bluewaffles at 2024-10-22 05:08 AM

"According to these same wrong betting books, Trump was supposed to run away with it in 2020.
#1 | Posted by a_monson "

What the hell are you talking about? I have to ask as it is 100% incorrect based on the actual history.

"There was a similar consensus in the run up to the 2020 election that Trump would lose " but the degree of confidence displayed by the markets and the models diverged markedly. To illustrate, Sporting Index, the spread betting company, announced it thought Joe Biden would win with between 305 and 311 electoral votes as the polls opened on election day, with Trump trailing on 227 to 233 electoral votes."

theconversation.com

Why it is that so many things the Liberals spout as Gospel are simply not true?

#20 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-22 06:32 AM

That's cool, now explain the swing state polling.
#2 | Posted by Bluewaffles

Swing states are where the rightwing/red wave polling is the worst:

[I]t is time for those who analyze polls to start acknowledging that there is now a third type of poll --the red wave, right-aligned narrative polling that only exist for a single purpose--to move the polling averages to the right. They are exploiting the "toss it in the averages and everything will work out philosophy" of these sites to once again launder these polls and game the averages--and thus our understanding of the election. Party leaders should expect them to keep these polls coming, and keep working the averages until it looks like Trump is winning in all polling averages. It is what they did in 2022, and it worked. They are doing it again this time, and once again it is working as the averages are moving and everyone is treating this movement like an organic rather than a deeply corrupt process.

Since late August more than 70 right-aligned polls have been dropped into the polling averages. The two states that have been worked the hardest are North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In October of the 27 Presidential polls released in Pennsylvania, 16 are from right-aligned pollsters, a majority. Since August 31st of the 41 Presidential polls released in North Carolina, 21, a majority have home come from right aligned pollsters. . . .

The red wave campaign this year is on a much greater scale than 2022. It started much earlier, has many more actors and has produced far more polling. It needed to be bigger for in general election years there is more polling. So to move the averages more polls were needed, and they got to work earlier doing so. And this is important. In 2022 the campaign began late, in mid-October. They had less time to move the averages so their polls were often 3-4 points to the right of the polling as they needed these bigger margins to move the averages in a shorter time period. This time, because they started earlier and are producing more polls their polls are often only 1-2 points to the right of the polling average or independent polls. They are working the averages more carefully this time, over using the time and volume to move them gradually so the op is not as crude and as easy to see as last time. If Harris leads by 2.5 points and you drop 5 polls showing the race tied or her ahead by 1 or even 2 points the averages moves and it looks like she is losing altitude.

www.hopiumchronicles.com

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-22 08:39 AM

Again Rein, why was the betting market correct in 2020 but wrong now in 2024?
#15 | Posted by Bluewaffles

The betting market was wrong in 2016, btw, and could very well be wrong now:

The Wall Street Journal had a major piece on Polymarket yesterday, writing:

Over the past two weeks, the chances of a Trump victory in the November election have surged on Polymarket, a crypto-based prediction market. Its bettors were giving Trump a 60% chance of winning on Friday, while Harris's chances were 40%. The candidates were in a dead heat at the start of October.

Trump's gains on Polymarket have cheered his supporters, and they have been followed by the odds shifting in Trump's favor in other betting markets. Elon Musk flagged Trump's growing lead on Polymarket to his 200 million X followers on Oct. 6, praising the concept of betting markets. "More accurate than polls, as actual money is on the line," Musk posted.

But the surge might be a mirage manufactured by a group of four Polymarket accounts that have collectively pumped about $30 million of crypto into bets that Trump will win.

www.hopiumchronicles.com

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-22 08:43 AM

You're right, little buddy.

Those heavily right leaning poll organizations who are begging for right wing money and always veer 3-5 points right of the outcome are definitely accurate.

The truth is who the hell knows how accurate the polls are right now because it all comes down to turn out.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-22 10:53 AM

No need to discuss Rasmussen and Traflagar but the Atlas Polling is funny.

It has Harris winning women by only 1 point.

In 2020, it had Trump winning Pennsylvania by just over a point.

Biden won it by just over a point.

They had a pretty poor outcome for accurately calling close races.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-22 10:58 AM

"...please explain to me how the betting market..."

#11 | Posted by Bluewaffles (NSFW)

The accounts betting big on Trump"Fredi9999, Theo4, PrincessCaro and Michie"were all funded by deposits from Kraken, a U.S.-based crypto exchange, according to Arkham. They behave in a similar fashion, systematically placing frequent bets on Trump and stepping up the size of their bets at the same time, Arkham found. The oldest of the accounts was created in June, while the newest was created this month.
This is not the first time I've posted this.

#25 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 11:03 AM

"No need to discuss Rasmussen and Traflagar but the Atlas Polling is funny.
They had a pretty poor outcome for accurately calling close races.
#24 | Posted by Sycophant"

Again, why is it that everything you liberals claim to be the Gospel wrong?

Atlas were statistically the most accurate polls for 2020

images.app.goo.gl

#26 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-22 11:38 AM

They had a pretty poor outcome for accurately calling close races.
#24 | Posted by Sycophant
Again, why is it that everything you liberals claim to be the Gospel wrong?
Atlas were statistically the most accurate polls for 2020
images.app.goo.gl

#26 | Posted by deadman

How many races did they call correctly?

They were well into the lower half for that...as I said. (71%)
fivethirtyeight.com

Best get that reading comprehension checked.

To make your point, you also had to ignore they have a Trump lean of 2-3 points.

How did Atlas Intel do in 2022? Oh...they basically sat that one out? Odd...

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-22 01:59 PM

If you want to really dig into numbers...

Traflagar had a 4.9 point GOP lean in 2022 and is currently giving Pennsylvania to Trump by 3. The same lean would mean Harris by 1.9 points.

The New York Times/Sienna College had essentially no lean in 2022. And they have Harris by 4.

The New York Times/Sienna College was the most accurate pollster in 2022, even better than AtlasIntel in 2020.

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-22 02:10 PM

Clinton had +3.2 average across all polls, and lost. A Dem needs +5.1 minimum going in to win the EC.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-10-22 02:37 PM

FFS. You people are complete fools.

#30 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-22 04:28 PM

"#27 | Posted by Sycophant"

From your own link, which you obviously did not read:

"AtlasIntel was 2020s most accurate pollster
Average error of polls in final 21 days before the 2020 general election, for pollsters that conducted at least 10 polls"

As for accuracy, AtlasIntel's error as 2.2% with a GOP bias of 1% (meaning they missed some in both directions).

Meanwhile, the NYT/Sienna College had an error 5.5% with a Dem bias of 5.5%.

So, everything your wrote, despite you believing it was all the Gospel truth, was WRONG. Worse, it is shown to be wrong in the link YOU CHOSE to prove your argument.

#31 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-22 07:01 PM

#31 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-22 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag: A completely meaningless comment in light of this

Meanwhile, ...Serious level

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 07:06 PM

"#32 | Posted by Hans"

Just so we are both clear, I think you have become just as deranged as legallydead and rein. As such, I WILL NEVER click on any link you post. I would advise others to avoid your links and interacting with you in general as well. It is clear you are going through some mental episode and I have no desire to shame you for it or worsen your condition by feeding into it.

#33 | Posted by deadman at 2024-10-22 07:13 PM

#33 | Posted by deadman (new) | Flag: Thinks I'm Arnold Palmer

And I am flattered, deadman.

Serious level

Your turn.

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 07:21 PM

He is not surging as just is fake news, obviously faux reporting, as how can he compare to the illustrious Kamala the media has represented!

#35 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-10-22 10:50 PM

From your own link, which you obviously did not read:

"AtlasIntel was 2020s most accurate pollster
Average error of polls in final 21 days before the 2020 general election, for pollsters that conducted at least 10 polls"

As for accuracy, AtlasIntel's error as 2.2% with a GOP bias of 1% (meaning they missed some in both directions).

Meanwhile, the NYT/Sienna College had an error 5.5% with a Dem bias of 5.5%.

So, everything your wrote, despite you believing it was all the Gospel truth, was WRONG. Worse, it is shown to be wrong in the link YOU CHOSE to prove your argument.

#31 | Posted by deadman

Oh sweetie...you aren't good with numbers are you?

The NYT/Sienna College polling had NO bias in 2022. You are referencing 2020. Do you know that 2020 and 2022 are different years?
fivethirtyeight.com

AtlasIntel: You are guessing on the GOP Bias. In reality, in 2020, I believe they didn't have a miss in the Dem direction. Their bias actually matched their accuracy. They also did nothing in 2022.

So, everything your wrote, despite you believing it was all the Gospel truth, was WRONG.

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-23 01:15 PM

Deadman,

JUST to put this in perspective...

IF AtlasIntel is right, Trump is in trouble.

Harris picks up Wisconsin, Michigan and North Carolina. And Nevada is a tie currently.

If AtlasIntel has ANY Trump Bias, Harris also wins Nevada and Arizona cleanly.... She only needs one to win. And potentially she wins Georgia and Pennsylvania.

Do you want to keep citing AtlasIntel?

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-10-23 03:29 PM

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