Thursday, October 24, 2024

Gen. Kelly on the Record: Trump Would Rule Like a Dictator

Michael S. Schmidt - With Election Day looming, John F. Kelly, the former Marine general who was his longest-serving chief of staff - deeply bothered by Mr. Trump's recent comments about employing the military against his domestic opponents - agreed to three on-the-record, recorded discussions ... "[I]t's a very dangerous thing to have the wrong person elected to high office."

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In response to a question about whether he thought Mr. Trump was a fascist, Mr. Kelly first read aloud a definition of fascism that he had found online.

"Well, looking at the definition of fascism: It's a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy," he said.

Mr. Kelly said that definition accurately described Mr. Trump.

"So certainly, in my experience, those are the kinds of things that he thinks would work better in terms of running America," Mr. Kelly said.

He added: "Certainly the former president is in the far-right area, he's certainly an authoritarian, admires people who are dictators - he has said that. So he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure."

Mr. Kelly said Mr. Trump lacked a fundamental understanding of basic American values and what being president is about.

"He's certainly the only president that has all but rejected what America is all about, and what makes America America, in terms of our Constitution, in terms of our values, the way we look at everything, to include family and government - he's certainly the only president that I know of, certainly in my lifetime, that was like that," Mr. Kelly said.

"He just doesn't understand the values - he pretends, he talks, he knows more about America than anybody, but he doesn't."

Nothing here that those of us living on Earth I already aren't fully aware of. Is there the remotest of chances that Kelly's interviews will reach military members currently ensconced on Earth II, inside of the right wing bubble?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-22 11:25 PM

Thunderclap Newman - (Pete Townsend's other band) - "Something In The Air"

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#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-22 11:31 PM

#2 | Posted by Corky

The finishing song from one of my favorite movies

Thanks for posting that!

#3 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-22 11:35 PM

General Kelly
General Mad Dog Matis
General Milley

These guys are not liberals and they see ConOLD for what he is.

#4 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-23 06:54 AM

Kelly is finally weighing in more forcefully this late in the election cycle. Better late than never? I'm not so sure. I think he should have spoken up in this way months if not years ago. Bottom line though, if Trump is re-elected, and turns into the dictator he has always wanted to be, we can't say we weren't warned.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-23 08:45 AM

Sarah Longwell:

When a former Trump official comes out with a story demonstrating Trump's unfitness for office, nihilistic Trump defenders leap into action, questioning the motives, context, or credibility of the individual making the claim. They're doing this right now with General Kelly.

They want you to forget the cumulative weight of the accusations against Trump coming from a raft of his own former employees. Kelly is far from alone in warning the American people that Trump is a threat to the country. Let's start with Trump's former Vice President:

"The American people deserve to know that President Trump asked me to put him over my oath to the Constitution. ... Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States." - Mike Pence

"His use of the Presidency to destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens has been enabled by pseudo political leaders whose names will live in infamy as profiles in cowardice." - Gen. Mattis

"I think he's unfit for office. ... He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well." -Mark Esper

Donald Trump is "fascist to the core" and "The most dangerous person to this country." - General Mark Milley

"This will be a retribution presidency. And it will not be just against extreme left wingers, it will be against people who are Republicans and conservatives who stood against Trump. And it will be against people in the military, like Mark Milley." -John Bolton

"Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn't be anywhere near the Oval Office." -Bill Barr

"The President undermined American democracy baselessly for months. As a result, he's culpable for this siege, and an utter disgrace." -Tom Bossert, Homeland Security Adviser

"He has never cared about America, its citizens, its future or anything but himself. In fact, as history well shows from his divisive lies, as well as from his unrestrained contempt for the rule of law and his related crimes, his conduct and mere existence have hastened the demise of democracy and of the nation." -Trump's White House Lawyer Ty Cobb

I could keep going but you get the point. Let me ask you: Are they all lying? You know how we know they're telling the truth? Because we see the unfitness with our own eyes!

Are we supposed to be skeptical that Trump called soldiers "suckers" and "losers" when he said as much out loud about John McCain?

Are we supposed to be skeptical that Trump praised Hitlers generals when he dined with white supremacist Nick Fuentes and calls people "vermin" and talks about immigrants "poisoning the blood" of America?

Trump is dangerous and unfit and all the responsible people who served in his last term have told us as much. The dead-eyed Trump sycophants like @LindseyGrahamSC or @ScottJenningsKY who gaslight Americans about Trump in the face of a mountain of evidence should be dismissed with prejudice.

The Trump defenders are going to circle the wagons. They're going to say these stories are unsourced rumors, despite Kelly being on the record and on tape. They'll try to dismiss him as disgruntled or lying. But why would he lie? What does he gain?

And his voice is just one among many all telling us the same damning story. Despite all this evidence, I'm still begging all these former officials to call a press conference and say it straight to the American people. Do it together. I promise, it will make all the difference.

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#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-23 12:02 PM

"He's disgruntled!"

--Cult 45

#7 | Posted by anton at 2024-10-24 02:09 PM

"There's an old saying in Tennessee"I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee"that says ...

"Kill all the lawyers."

In Trumpworld it's hire all the lawyers and kill all the Generals.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-24 02:13 PM

I'm sure there's no connection between this and his speaking out....right ?.....

riiiiiight....

"John Kelly joins board of company operating largest shelter for unaccompanied migrant children"

In April, protesters outside the nation's largest facility for unaccompanied migrant children noticed a familiar face enter the massive, fenced site in Homestead, Florida: former White House chief of staff John Kelly. Soon after, a local television station recorded footage of him riding on the back of a golf cart as he toured the grounds.

It wasn't clear why he was there, but Friday, Caliburn International confirmed to CBS News that Kelly had joined its board of directors. Caliburn is the parent company of Comprehensive Health Services, which operates Homestead and three other shelters for unaccompanied migrant children in Texas.

www.cbsnews.com

so I guess it's off to the next desperate act...OH EPSTEIN........I see the next line of bullshvt already..

#9 | Posted by shrimptacodan at 2024-10-24 03:16 PM

Attack Kelly for telling the truth. That's a good dog.

On the paper.

#10 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-24 03:25 PM

Yes, Trump's four years in office were just a horror - RIGHT???

#11 | Posted by MSgt at 2024-10-24 03:46 PM

ask a covid victim.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-24 03:49 PM

I see the next line of bullshvt already..
#9 | Posted by shrimptacodan

Can't stomach the October surprise, eh? Kelly's comments have stuck to the wall, every news media outlet is covering and spinning the narrative. It's not going away, sads are you.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-10-24 03:49 PM

Yes, Trump's four years in office were just a horror - RIGHT???

#11 | Posted by MSgt

Not if you get your news from the people who told you the 2020 election was stolen. Then trump's years were glorious.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-24 03:52 PM

#11 | Posted by MSgt

If you found it to be a delight, you've got a twisted sense of reality.

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2024-10-24 03:53 PM

so I guess it's off to the next desperate act...OH EPSTEIN........I see the next line of bullshvt already..

#9 | Posted by shrimptacodan

Since you brought it up, what would you say if obama had partied with epstein for 15 years?

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-24 03:53 PM

Trump's first two years, like any Pres, were the result of the previous Pres' policies.

So, as Obama says, yeah, the first two years were great; they were Obama's economy.

The last two years that were Trump's economy, and the first two years of Biden's, were tragically poor.

But the reason people like fElon and Thiel and Leonard want a Mean Daddy Ruler is then they can control the economy to benefit themselves.

They point to Singapore as a model; an Authoritarian Corporate Gov run like a start-up with the Board appointing the Leader.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-24 04:22 PM

Yes, Trump's four years in office were just a horror - RIGHT???
#11 | Posted by MSgt

Trump was prevented by people like Kelly and others inside his adminstration from becoming the dictator he wanted to be. If there is another Trump adminstration, those guardrails will no longer be in place, either within the adminstration or outside of it. The Supreme Court's rulling in the Trump immunity case made sure of that.

Dirk Schwenk:

In light of the new reporting that Tr u mp is a Hxtler supporter and outright fascist, I want to revisit Justice Roberts decision in Trump v. United States. A THREAD.

We all grew up in a country where it was flatly illegal for a POTUS to turn the military against the citizenry. There was never any question about that. It was a sure thing. That country is gone.
It has been repeatedly confirmed that Trump asked "his" generals to shoot protesters. And that they refused. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. Trump wants generals that are loyal, and if we put him in power, that is what he (and we) will get.

What changed? Roberts held that POTUS Article II powers cannot be limited or reviewed by any other branch of government. What are Art II powers? Commanding the Armed Forces and granting pardons are the Big 2.

Also included - APPOINTING SCOTUS JUSTICES and foreign policy.

SCOTUS has also found, and Roberts just vastly expanded, that firing people in executive agencies is a core Art. II function.

So Art. II gives POTUS the power to wield military force; pardon anyone; appoint SCOTUS justices, and fire anyone else. POTUS can institute a loyalty test and give military orders. DID CJ ROBERTS FIND ANY LIMITS TO THESE POWERS? No. It's unrestrained by courts or Congress.

So POTUS can order, without any review or restraint, military action against US citizens on US soil. And he can fire anyone that refuses. And he can pardon anyone that follows the order. And neither SCOTUS or Congress has any power to review or limit such actions.

SO LISTEN HERE EVERY LIVING SOUL. A vote for Trump is a vote for a person who wants to be a dictator. And if he wins, HE IS A DICTATOR ON DAY ONE. And there are no legal ways to stop him. None. Zero. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

Dirk out.

It is true that Congress can deny funding for the military. And if you think that will pose a barrier, well ha ha the jokes on you. Anyone opposing will be in the camps.

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If these claims are not true, I hope someone like Et_Al will weigh in with the appropriate correction(s).

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-24 05:00 PM

Trump was prevented by people like Kelly and others inside his adminstration from becoming the dictator he wanted to be.

Are we talking about this Kelly?

John Kelly Confirms He Was Lying All Along: The White House Is in Chaos
www.rollingstone.com

Now he claims what? And everyone believes him?

LOL Lumpers are so comical.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-24 05:26 PM

Or are we talking about this John Kelly?

John Kelly refuses to apologize for false attacks on Florida congresswoman
www.washingtonpost.com

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-24 05:28 PM

You ever get the feeling he's perhaps a liar to remain relevant?

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-10-24 05:28 PM

1Nut is such a TOOL... Kelly confirmed that he was covering up for Trump's stupidity and worse, all along.

- a liar to remain relevant?

Now that's some first class psychological projection there.

From someone who obfuscates for Trump night and day, while claiming to be a liberal.

Funny/sad.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-24 05:39 PM

It isn't just Kelly who is saying Trump is unfit for office. See my post #6 above.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-24 05:40 PM

Hi Gal!

You are asking 1Nut to hold more than one thought in his head at a time.

His difficulty level for that is phenomenally high.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-24 05:44 PM

LOL Lumpers are so comical.

#19 | Posted by oneironaut

Almost as comical as cult members who can ignore the giant pile of ex trump administration employees and military leaders who say he's dangerous and shouldnt be re elected.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2024-10-24 05:45 PM

You ever get the feeling he's perhaps a liar to remain relevant?

#21 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT

No.

He is a retired four star general. And he was Trumpy's longest serving chief of staff. I think that he has plenty of relevance just built right in.

I think maybe you are confusing him with that loonie Michael Flynn. That dude drank the maga kool aid and it turned him into a raving rabid Christian nationalistic and evil maga minion and Russian Colluder. He only lasted 22 days on the job. But Trumpy loves him. Even though he had to fire him. And then pardon him for his crimes against America.

Did you ever get the feeling Trumpy is lying to desperately try and stay out of prison??

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-10-24 05:45 PM

You ever get the feeling he's perhaps a liar to remain relevant?

#21 | POSTED BY ONEIRONAUT AT 2024-10-24 05:28 PM | REPLY

it doesnt seem to be working for you, mr. npc.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-10-24 05:47 PM

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