Sunday, November 17, 2024

Florida Town Votes to Remove Fluoride from Water

The city commission in Winter Haven, Florida voted this week to stop adding fluoride to the drinking water, citing President-elect Donald Trump's nomination of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to be the Secretary of "H-something-something" as one of the reasons.

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Like Florida doesn't have enough stump-toothed MAGAts running around.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-11-17 07:04 AM

Stupid is as stupid does. God MAGA folks are just totally Dummkopfs

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-17 07:07 AM

They also voted to supply low-cost brainworms to all local citizens.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-11-17 10:53 AM

I bet some would vote out oxygen.

#4 | Posted by Brennnn at 2024-11-17 02:54 PM

Because they looked at the US, and they looked at England...

And they choose British Teeth.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-17 03:01 PM

"I bet some would vote out oxygen."

RFK Jr is going to ban vaccines and Cheez-its, and America will only be upset about one of those.

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-11-17 03:02 PM

Given the chance they will ban DHMO.

www.csun.edu
The Horror Must Be Stopped!

The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use

#7 | Posted by mattm at 2024-11-17 03:36 PM

How are results measurable? What results are we seeking?

Is fluoride the safest, most effective method to achieve the "results"?

So, this should impact their student tests? Worker productivity? Dental student opportunities?

What is the scientific argument in favor of long-term continual fluoridation?

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-11-17 11:38 PM

Say hello to redneck teef Floriduh.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-11-18 09:37 AM

www.breitbart.com

So true.

#10 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-11-18 09:48 AM

What is the scientific argument in favor of long-term continual fluoridation?

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot

You don't think population wide improvements in dental health are important?

Because throwing out random questions demanding others find easily searched info for you while you spew random, stupid questions isn't making the point you think it is.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2024-11-18 09:56 AM

The stupid continues.
Fluoridation only takes the fluoride level to 0.7 milligrams per liter.
That level is quite safe.
Those that cite health issues with Fluoride are citing naturally occurring fluoridated water where the levels are well above 0.7 mg/liter.

WInter Haven isn't the first in Florida. The stupid goes deep in this Florida man red state:

"Collier County commissioners unanimously agreed in February to end the addition of fluoride in the county's public drinking water system after nearly three hours of often-impassioned debate at the commission meeting.

The commissioners cited "health freedom" as a reason, pushed by a phalanx of anti-fluoridation activists."

Gotta love "health freedom" as "a reason". As in "freedom from having good health." Yay!

You go Florida Man.

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-18 10:00 AM

#9

Those are summer teeth. Summer here, summer there.

#13 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-11-18 10:22 AM

#8

------- ------- that are too lazy to do basic research can ---- off.

#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-18 02:10 PM

The molar decay of Florida can be traced back to this decision.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-18 02:16 PM

#8
------- ------- that are too lazy to do basic research can ---- off.
#14 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-18 02:10 PM

I was hoping there would be some discussion of the science in the article or in the chat.

You are right, that's being lazy. Your opinion adds nothing.

Basically, I can't find adequate research to form any solid opinion, other than the assumption that sodium fluoride is harmless and useful at the doses utilized nationally.

Naturally occurring fluoride is a different compound, so I'm confused over this particular artificial isolates origin and historic testing.

#16 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-11-18 03:43 PM

Wikipedia: Water fluoridation controversy
Proponents of fluoridation have been criticized for overstating the benefits, while opponents have been criticized for understating them and for overstating the risks.[20][21] Systematic reviews have cited the lack of high quality research for the benefits and risks of water fluoridation and questions that are still unsettled.[12][21][22][needs update] Researchers who oppose the practice state this as well.[23] According to a 2013 Congressional Research Service report on fluoride in drinking water, these gaps in the fluoridation scientific literature fuel the controversy.

Hard data seems hard to access. Since Sweden and France do not fluoridate their populations is there a statistical difference in dental health. Mental health?

#17 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2024-11-18 04:14 PM

Naturally occurring fluoride is a different compound, so I'm confused over this particular artificial isolates origin and historic testing.

No, it's not. They are identical. There is no difference in water with natural occurring fluoride and purposely fluoridated water Do not confuse the source of the fluoridation with the product of the fluoridation. The water's chemical makeup is identical, no matter the source of the fluoridation.

Do you know how we figured out that adding fluoride to our water made people healthier? Helped them keep their teeth? Prevent dental caries? The history? None of this is secret. It's all well known. As is the benefits of fluoridation.

Like anything, though, more (past a certain point) works against you. Like taking too much medicine, eating too much of one thing, or simply drinking too much water. You can die from that.

This is why I specifically stated 0.7mg/liter. Some counties here have higher naturally occurring levels of Fluoride in the water, so they add very little or none, as long as it doesn't go above 0.7mg/liter. In populations where the water is higher than 0.7mg/liter (significantly higher) there is evidence of decreased IQ and other developmental issues. This is not something specific or peculiar to Fluoride. It's the way most things work in this world.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-18 10:16 PM

France has water that has varying ranges of natural fluoridation - typically 0.5mg/liter.
Also France allows the production and use of Fluoride in salt. We don't allow that here.
Sweden's water contains anywhere from 0 to 4.1mg/liter. That's outrageously high, btw. Nearly a quarter of the wells used in Sweden have fluoride levels twice (1.5mg/liter, actually) the recommended value of 0.7 here.
Are you going to site Sweden as an example of mental health issues?

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-18 10:21 PM

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov(35).

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-18 10:21 PM

What good are teeth when you die from COVID?

#21 | Posted by danni at 2024-11-19 01:47 AM

You better hurry up Danni. Maybe add to your Zillow listing seller pays $3000 towards closing cost and one year of HOA fees! Time is running out! Make your condo stand out, so you can get out! I'm rooting for you.

#22 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-11-19 02:53 AM

All the people leaving the OBGYN trade can return to school, earn a dental degree, and make a killing.

#23 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2024-11-19 03:45 AM

France has water that has varying ranges of natural fluoridation - typically 0.5mg/liter.
Also France allows the production and use of Fluoride in salt. We don't allow that here.
Sweden's water contains anywhere from 0 to 4.1mg/liter. That's outrageously high, btw. Nearly a quarter of the wells used in Sweden have fluoride levels twice (1.5mg/liter, actually) the recommended value of 0.7 here.
Are you going to site Sweden as an example of mental health issues?

#19 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-18 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

The additive US municipalities are treating their drinking water isn't elemental fluoride. When you do your research and understand whats being added to your water, you will sound less ignorant. I've posted this several times, with citations. It's your turn to look it up if you want to crawl out of your own stupidity.

#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-19 09:50 AM

Oh please. Elucidate me. Post your links again.
Surely it's not too hard for you to mouse click - copy link - paste.
I haven't been on any thread that you posted any actual data with links that backed it up that I could verify as valid.
I love learning new stuff - as long as it's factual and scientifically valid.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-19 12:36 PM

Oh please. Elucidate me. Post your links again.
Surely it's not too hard for you to mouse click - copy link - paste.
I haven't been on any thread that you posted any actual data with links that backed it up that I could verify as valid.
I love learning new stuff - as long as it's factual and scientifically valid.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-19 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

The chemical compound being added to water is actually a byproduct of manufacturing industrial fertilizers. Go look it up and educate yourself. Ive done this numerous times and as recently as a couple weeks ago here on this site. So no, IF you are really interested, go look it up for yourself..

#26 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-11-19 12:42 PM

And that means nothing.
Do you not understand chemistry?
I kid myself.
What is in the water is identical to that found in naturally occurring fluoridated water.
It doesn't matter the source.
You don't seem to understand the basic chemistry or what's being done. You actually telling me that fluoride derived by one method is different than fluoride derived from a different method, so if we just used "natural" fluoride (WTF that is) then, what?

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-19 02:00 PM

www.in.gov(H2SiF6).

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-19 02:52 PM

Three chemicals are used to fluoridate drinking water in the U.S: sodium fluoride (NaF); sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6); and fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6).

Fluorosilicic acid is a byproduct of the manufacture of phosphate fertilizer. It is recovered as a vapor, which ensures a high degree of purity. Both sodium fluoride and sodium fluorosilicate are made from fluorosilicic acid recovered in this manner.

Sodium fluorosilicate is created by neutralizing fluorosilicic acid with caustic soda, itself a water treatment chemical. Sodium fluoride is created by neutralizing fluorosilicic acid with sodium chloride, common salt.

This is how the fluoride that is used to bring fluoride levels up to the desired level (less than or equal to 0.7mg/liter) are created. Through chemistry, resulting in soluble fluoride compounds.

Now you can find all kinds of garbage out there about how the fluorides are somehow different based on the source, for instance those people selling their "natural spring water" and others (profit oriented or health nutcases, or our future cabinet member) but there is no difference in the resulting water.

"(There is) no difference between the fluoride present naturally and the fluoride added as part of a community water fluoridation scheme. In laboratory analysis, the fluoride ions would be indistinguishable from one another, regardless of their origins."

bfsweb.org

#29 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-19 03:14 PM

Understanding the insanity and roots of the anti-fluoride conspiracy nonsense:
www.npr.org

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2024-11-19 06:20 PM

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