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Boeing Plane Investigated After 'Dutch Roll'
US regulators are investigating after an incident in which a Boeing 737 Max 8 flown by Southwest Airlines rocked side to side while in air, in a potentially dangerous movement known as a "Dutch roll".
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Here we go again... Sounds like a software issue.
#1 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-06-15 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
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#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-06-15 06:42 PM | Reply
Dutch roll en.wikipedia.org
... Dutch roll is an aircraft motion consisting of an out-of-phase combination of "tail-wagging" (yaw) and rocking from side to side (roll). This yaw-roll coupling is one of the basic flight dynamic modes (others include phugoid, short period, and spiral divergence). This motion is normally well damped in most light aircraft, though some aircraft with well-damped Dutch roll modes can experience a degradation in damping as airspeed decreases and altitude increases. Dutch roll stability can be artificially increased by the installation of a yaw damper. Wings placed well above the center of gravity, swept wings, and dihedral wings tend to increase the roll restoring force, and therefore increase the Dutch roll tendencies; this is why high-winged aircraft often are slightly anhedral, and transport-category swept-wing aircraft are equipped with yaw dampers. A similar phenomenon can happen in a trailer pulled by a car. ... Name The origin of the name Dutch roll is uncertain. However, it is likely that this term, describing a lateral asymmetric motion of an airplane, was borrowed from a reference to similar-appearing motion in ice skating. ...
This motion is normally well damped in most light aircraft, though some aircraft with well-damped Dutch roll modes can experience a degradation in damping as airspeed decreases and altitude increases.
Dutch roll stability can be artificially increased by the installation of a yaw damper. Wings placed well above the center of gravity, swept wings, and dihedral wings tend to increase the roll restoring force, and therefore increase the Dutch roll tendencies; this is why high-winged aircraft often are slightly anhedral, and transport-category swept-wing aircraft are equipped with yaw dampers. A similar phenomenon can happen in a trailer pulled by a car. ...
Name
The origin of the name Dutch roll is uncertain. However, it is likely that this term, describing a lateral asymmetric motion of an airplane, was borrowed from a reference to similar-appearing motion in ice skating. ...
There are a couple of animations in that article showing a Dutch roll.
#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-06-15 07:01 PM | Reply
Watched a video of a different plane suffering this. I'd be puking for a week. This on top of another Southwest 737 diving and. coming within 400 feet of the ocean near Hawaii
#4 | Posted by northguy3 at 2024-06-15 11:19 PM | Reply
Failed yaw dampening. Airliners with swept wings have inherent dutch roll. It will always happen without software driven dampening from the 6 or more systems which all work together on it. A fault in a system will turn off dampening and the airliner will fly along safely but the ride isn't as pleasant.
#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-06-16 07:00 AM | Reply
FAA investigation grounded the plane after finding "significant damage". It's off to the shop in Everett for repairs.
#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-06-16 07:40 AM | Reply
The PCU is the power control unit, an actuator controlling the (vertical) rudder. On Jun 13th 2024 The Aviation Herald learned that two ribs, that the stand by PCU is being mounted to, were damaged as well as the mounts of the stand by actuator. A temporary repair was done in Oakland replacing the damaged PCU, the aircraft was then ferried to Everett to replace the damaged ribs.
#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-06-16 07:46 AM | Reply
Dutch Roll A circling tongue technique used by an especially proficient salad ------.
#8 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-16 06:26 PM | Reply
Dutch Hayroll
When you squeeze your ass cheeks together and take a ----. it comes out in a pancake shape and you roll it to look like a hayroll
#9 | Posted by look_inward at 2024-06-16 06:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1
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