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... The July 11 order bars US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents from stopping and questioning individuals without reasonable suspicion that they're in the US illegally. The judge said that agents' suspicion can't be based on a person's race or ethnicity, language or accent, presence in a specific location, or the type of work they do.

But in a court filing late Wednesday, the US Justice Department argued that those four factors can play a valid role in law enforcement. ...


#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-25 02:03 PM | Reply

Didn't ICE once say that the ydid not do any racial profiling in their arrests of immigrants?

Now they say it is a necessary part of those arrests?

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-25 02:04 PM | Reply

Why do Democrats have to make everything about Race?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-25 03:06 PM | Reply

If Pres Trump gets this Court approval, how might he expand his new power to other areas?


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-25 06:24 PM | Reply

The ICE Sweeps Are Classic Racial Profiling
prospect.org

... Trump's spokespersons and ICE officials keep insisting that they're targeting convicted felons in their deportation efforts, but it's clear that they're preponderantly seizing people because they look Latino, or possibly Black or Asian, who may or may not have documentation. There have been a handful of reports of non-Hispanic whites being detained, including a Danish-born man living in Mississippi, as well as several European and Canadian tourists. But it is simply undeniable that it's nonwhites whom ICE is targeting.

By sweeping up day laborers, car wash and garment workers, and the attendees at swap meets in the Latino parts of Los Angeles, ICE's criterion is clearly racial. Of the 722 people arrested by ICE in the Los Angeles area from June 1 through June 10, a Los Angeles Times study revealed, 69 percent had no criminal convictions. But they were in jobs and places that immigrants frequented, and they sure looked Latino. In consequence, as Jackie Ramirez, a Los Angeles radio host, told the Times, "you're scared to be brown." ...


#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-25 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#4 ... If Pres Trump gets this Court approval, how might he expand his new power to other areas? ...

Might he target all the new ICE employees, hired as a result of his tax bill, to now target anyone who is not a white Christian, effectively aiming at cities?


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-07-25 11:50 PM | Reply

" to now target anyone who is not a white Christian, effectively aiming at Democratic cities?"

Hey, he blew up the bufget for immigrayion so now he hS TO FIND SOMETHING FOR ALL THOSE NEW ice THUGS TO DO

#7 | Posted by danni at 2025-07-26 08:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans are okay with racial profiling.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-26 10:51 AM | Reply

Racist Republicans are okay with racial profiling as Donald Trump demonstrated with the Central Park Five!

without Racism, would there still be a Republican Party?

#9 | Posted by danni at 2025-07-26 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I mean not for nothing if my job were to round up undocumented immigrants am I going to have a higher success rate at Franklin and Sons CPA (since 1948) or Home Depot parking lot.

No love for ICE but you go where the work is.

#10 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2025-07-26 12:13 PM | Reply

I mean not for nothing if my job were to round up undocumented immigrants am I going to have a higher success rate at Franklin and Sons CPA (since 1948) or Home Depot parking lot.
No love for ICE but you go where the work is.
#10 | Posted by TaoWarrior

This isn't about going where the work is.
This is about following the rules for how the work is done.
Consider the legal process by which we "round up undocumented immigrants."
Is Probable Cause required when we're rounding people up?
Is being brown Probable Cause?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-26 02:11 PM | Reply

"No love for ICE but you go where the work is."

I take your point, I think.
But, then, there's work and there's work.
The kind of work ICE is doing is, largely, thug work.
That logic let Trawnikis (
en.wikipedia.org) sleep soundly.
For an indication of what's to come, see "The Worst ICE Agents Are Coming" (www.thebulwark.com)

#13 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-07-26 03:13 PM | Reply

It's incredible how much fear of other people is driving the Republican Party.

Republicans are constantly living in fear.

Fear of immigrants.

Fear of other religions.

Fear of the LGBTQ.

It's this nonstop fear, coupled with ignorance, that makes MAGA so powerful and dangerous.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-07-26 03:18 PM | Reply

#12

I don't disagree but honestly not sure what the laws and standards for ICE have traditionally been. I mean the "joke" about if there's a long line at home depot and you are in in a hurry just yell ICE has been around a lot longer than the Trump Presidency. That would imply that profiling by location and skin tone is not new. I don't like it regardless of age. It really sucks for the couple first and second generation immigrants I know who carry documentation with them everywhere they go and worry about going certain places regardless of their documentation status.

#13

See above response. While the behavior has been abhorrent and the number of citizen and documented people that they are rounding up is unacceptable I don't know that it is worse than standard for ICE. So possibly not the best use of outrage.

This admin is doing everything it can to flood the zone with outrage. So we need to be careful to properly target outrage instead of giving in to the daily cascade of it.

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2025-07-27 01:41 PM | Reply

"I don't disagree but honestly not sure what the laws and standards for ICE have traditionally been."

Well, Trump did like 100+ executive orders ordering ICE to do all kinds of things, so the job description has changed radically.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-27 01:43 PM | Reply

"Well, Trump did like 100+ executive orders ordering ICE to do all kinds of things, so the job description has changed radically."

Yes that is why I said traditionally. I'm not talking about what is "legal" since Trumps EO pen started getting more of a workout than Melania's --------.

#17 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2025-07-27 01:48 PM | Reply

"ICE has been around a lot longer than the Trump Presidency. That would imply that profiling by location and skin tone is not new."

You changed it from profiling to racial profiling.
It sounds like you didn't know that what you are joking about is illegal.
That would make sense because you do know cops will simply ignore the laws they don't like, and ICE is now doing so with impunity.

If ICE had been doing this before, the ACLU would have sued them before.
If ICE wasn't illegally racially profiling, the ACLU wouldn't have won this lawsuit.
Federal judge orders ICE to halt immigration raids in Southern California
www.cbsnews.com
The judge determined that federal agents cannot "rely solely" on certain factors when considering whether to make a "detentive stop," including the "apparent race or ethnicity" of the person in question, whether they are "speaking Spanish or speaking English with an accent," and their "presence at a particular location (e.g. bus stop, car wash, tow yard, day laborer pick up site, agricultural site, etc.)."

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-07-27 01:50 PM | Reply

If race and/or ethnicity is off limits then how can we protect white people? Shoukd Melania be worried?

#19 | Posted by danni at 2025-07-28 06:51 AM | Reply

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