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While a federal judge scrutinizes the constitutionality of tactics used by federal immigration authorities during ongoing protests in Chicago, these same agencies are quietly amassing behind-the-scenes surveillance technology.

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More: Backed by funding from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act passed in July, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has entered into contracts with companies to provide surveillance capabilities like facial recognition algorithms, an iris-scanning identification app, controversial spyware on smartphones, and a real-time smartphone location and social media tracking system. In September alone, ICE racked up $1.4 billion in new surveillance technology contracts, the highest in at least 18 years, according to The Washington Post.

These contracts are in addition to any privately owned surveillance networks to which ICE has access. Flock Safety, for example, has allowed ICE to access over 80,000 of its AI-powered license plate reader cameras installed nationwide, according to 404 Media. The expansive"and growing"mass surveillance camera network captures the license plate number, make, model, and any distinctive features of all passing vehicles, making it possible to track cars and, by extension, drivers, often without a warrant.

Although ICE has sold its surveillance campaign as necessary to locating and deporting undocumented immigrations, the Trump administration has signaled that the technologies will also be used on American citizens. In September, Trump signed an executive order designating antifa a domestic terrorist organization and signaled that federal agencies, including ICE, should devote resources to investigating the network. Todd M. Lyons, acting director of ICE, told Glenn Beck during an interview shortly after the executive order was signed that the agency would "track the money," "ringleaders," and "professional agitators" who are "being brought in" from outside the Chicago area to protest against immigration enforcement. But whether from Chicago or elsewhere, protester or "domestic terrorist," constitutional rights and limitations still apply, although adherence by federal agencies is being questioned.

Critics of mass surveillance have long warned that intrusive technologies could be used to violate Americans' privacy rights. "We don't know if law enforcement or ICE are getting search warrants to deploy this spyware," Maria Villegas Bravo, counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, told the Post. "It's also a First Amendment issue because your phone contains all your communications, all your expressions ... it has your contact lists, it has your social media. Any political organizing people do," she continued, is "typically on social media now, or over the phone."

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2025-10-23 03:05 PM | Reply

Big Brother Keeps Us Safe.
--Republicans

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-23 03:17 PM | Reply

When ICE thugs uncover a US citizen implicated in a crime through their warrantless surveillance, they will alert other federal, state, or the local police who will then reconstruct an investigation. I witnessed an example last century. A federal agency (XXX) was alerted to a gang trafficking in ZZZ, but the USG information seemed to have come without a wiretap warrant or there was a legal problem with how the info was obtained. This makes the information inadmissible in court. So XXX set up an impromptu "check point" and caught the suspects. The probable cause arrest warrant read something to the effect: "During a routine inspection of vehicles at the intersection of Atlantic Avenue and Smith Street, a known area for trafficking ZZZ, XXX agents noticed the suspects acted nervous and the driver made a furtive move, placing something under the seat of his car. A subsequent search of the vehicle then revealed...."

Slam dunk!

I changed the names and places, but you get the point.

#3 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-23 03:37 PM | Reply

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face"forever."

"History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."

"There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother."

Quotes from 1984

Fiction becomes reality.

He was only 40 years off.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-23 03:37 PM | Reply

Isn't this like the third thread on the exact same topic?

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-23 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And what does anyone imagine ICE will be doing once they're done building Trumps personal military?

#6 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2025-10-23 07:45 PM | Reply

Isn't this like the third thread on the exact same topic?

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2025-10-23 07:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, and my comment is the same.

Does anyone think this surveillance just started?

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-23 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't make it right.

#8 | Posted by fresno500 at 2025-10-24 06:13 AM | Reply

Does anyone think this surveillance just started?

#7 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

So much for draining the swamp. Only Trumpy can fix it!

Lol. Just another Trumpy lie.

And don't forget this little gem: "If you have done nothing wrong, you should not fear increased surveillance."

AmIRight?

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-24 11:31 AM | Reply

Don't make it right.

#8 | Posted by fresno500 at 2025-10-24 06:13 AM | Reply | Flag

No it doesn't, but taking offense to it now says a lot about priorities. Most democrats didn't care until they could weaponize it against their opposition.

#10 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-24 11:43 AM | Reply

"If you have done nothing wrong, you should not fear increased surveillance."

AmIRight?

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-24 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

How many Democrats voted against letting the Patriot act or NDAA expire?

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-24 11:46 AM | Reply

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Good morning.

Or should I say bow-wow?

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-24 11:49 AM | Reply

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I saw a movie called "Rawhead Rex", in which the monster takes possession of a human by pissing on him.

Naturally, thought of Trump and you.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-24 11:51 AM | Reply

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds

By the way, ICE is threatening to kill local police who interfere with them.

Can I have an ARF?

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-24 11:53 AM | Reply

Or should I say bow-wow?

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-24 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

More likely that Zed says Meow.

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-24 11:58 AM | Reply

More likely that Zed says Meow.

#15 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I say ARF! and I say MEOW!

What bathroom should I use?

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-24 12:19 PM | Reply

@#1 ... Although ICE has sold its surveillance campaign as necessary to locating and deporting undocumented immigrations, the Trump administration has signaled that the technologies will also be used on American citizens. ...

the Trump administration has signaled that the technologies will also be used on American citizens.

More specifically, American citizens who protest against and/or criticize Pres Trump.

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-10-24 12:31 PM | Reply

How many Democrats voted against letting the Patriot act or NDAA expire?

#11 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Which time?

Most recently:

The Patriot Act's expiring provisions were not renewed in March 2020 and were effectively allowed to expire, so there was no recent vote against an extension. However, Democrats have previously voted against its renewal:

In February 2011, 122 Democrats voted against a short-term extension of the Patriot Act, which ultimately failed to pass with a two-thirds majority in the House.

In 2006, 124 House Democrats voted against the full reauthorization of the Patriot Act. In the Senate, four Republicans, 43 Democrats, and one independent voted against ending debate on the reauthorization bill.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-24 01:31 PM | Reply

Re 11

I answered your question. Are you brave enough to answer mine?

How many Republicans voted against letting the Patriot act or NDAA expire and why?

Bonus question:

What do you think that means?

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-24 01:56 PM | Reply

Patriot Act 2001 Senate vote

(R)49
(D)49 98% democrats support

2005-2006 renewal (Senate)

(R)49
(D)40 80% democrats support

2011 susnet ext. (Senate)

(R)37
(D)35 70% democrats support

2015 renewal(USA Freedom Act of 2015) Senate

(R)33
(D)34

2019 ext. (Senate)

(R)45 for 9 oppose 83% in favor (2 not voting)
(D)35 for 7 oppose 83% in favor (2 not voting)

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-24 03:26 PM | Reply

Which time?
#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-24 01:31 PM

See post #20

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-24 03:27 PM | Reply

I'll catch up NDAA when I get time.

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-24 03:29 PM | Reply

See post #20

#21 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

See post 18

...

I'll catch up NDAA when I get time.

#22 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Plenty of time for your hateful lies. But not so much for the truth.

The truth is hard werk. Apparently.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-10-24 05:35 PM | Reply

LMAO #20 hit harder than I expected...

#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2025-10-25 10:52 AM | Reply

**** More Spying from the "Department of Horrible Surveillance" (DHS) ****

"DHS is seeking to develop a new mobile surveillance platform that fuses AI, radar, high-powered cameras, and wireless networking into a single system. The technology would mount on 4x4 vehicles capable of reaching remote areas and transforming into rolling, autonomous observation towers, extending the reach of border surveillance far beyond its current fixed sites.

The data collected by the units will be classified as Controlled Unclassified Information (or CUI), a designation introduced in the last decade to replace other labels such as "For Official Use Only," referring to information that falls below the threshold for national security classification, but whose dissemination must be tightly controlled.

DHS has contracted with an Israeli firm for spyware that can remotely hack into mobile phones."

Archived Link:Border Patrol Going Super Hi-Tech

Uncle Sam doesn't have the funds to feed people or care for them in the hospitals, but has plenty of money for spying and brutalizing people.


#25 | Posted by C0RI0LANUS at 2025-10-25 10:42 PM | Reply

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