-The plan is to deport these people, violently if even slightly necessary.
You don't believe that.
#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY
Here's the thing on the Haitian "immigrant" population, they are on the parole program.
www.uscis.gov
They are legally only allowed to stay 1 yr, or longer with permission (with work authorization).
Do you imagine the Haitians will fly back home voluntarily??
Car accidents are up, an uptick in disease, schools overloaded, etc. and the left will not acknowledge the problems this has created.
First, the number of Haitians in Springfield is likely between 10-12,000 people, a number arrived at by thorough research.
Second, and mindnumbinly puzzling, is why has JD Vance - who openly brags about knowing Springfield's situation for months - not done something in Congress to help his constituents? Yes(!), Springfield has undergone rapid growth that they didn't forecast, ergo the public infrastructure is strained by its new realities. This is where a decent Senator focuses his colleagues on these problems, and gets federal help asap.So where is JD on this?
The Haitians are integral to Springfield's current economy. Taking them away would depress the town into insolvency. It would crater real estate prices and drive rents into the ground. For as much as you try to make them the problem, they're more of the solution than you are. Same with undocumenteds who're already here and productive. If they were all deported, our economy loses GDP, we lose billions in taxes, and agriculture would literally leave crops rotting in the fields because there's not enough people here willing to do those jobs. That's why they hire undocumenteds in the first place.
As with most things, the right answer is somewhere in the middle. There are problems but most of them are outweighed by the benefits, which is precisely what Springfield's mayor, business community, and the Ohio governor all say. Address their problems like we would if we were talking about any city or suburb undergoing rapid growth. The tax base is growing in Springfield, so they should have the income to expand needed services, but building takes some time. State and federal government should do for them what I'd expect if it were my city struggling.
That's what we do in America. We don't build our politics on the backs of those we should lift up, not put down.
#41
That's well and good, but what's it got to do with the Haitians in Springfield?
You refuse to educate yourself on things you're ignorant of. There are no open borders, there never has been. The asylum rules have been changed. No one is denying our system is broken, yet you deny the best bipartisan solution in history was rejected by Trump to get idiots like you frothing out of that ignorance.
Trump doesn't want to solve the problem, he only wants to demagogue it, like he did in 2016. He had 4 years, and what did he improve in the overall system? Nada.
Here's what Biden and Harris have done.
They've addressed the root causes to stop people from reaching our borders and it's working. Fewer and fewer are showing up each month. But hard work isn't sexy not does it fit on bumper stickers.
In addition to the bomb threats, there have been instances of vandalism, which are obviously not being done by foreign actors:
Frustrated and mad;' String of vandalism forces small businesses to close their doors
www.whio.com
Haitian families in Ohio under attack as racist claims spread
haitiantimes.com
The Biden administration inserted 20,000 migrants into a town of 60,000. Car accidents are up, an uptick in disease, schools overloaded, etc. and the left will not acknowledge the problems this has created.
Posted by BellRinger
The uptick in disease claim is false:
What's more, Vance's dishonesty about Springfield goes well beyond the pet-eating scam and strays into other really dangerous territory. Vance has repeatedly cited a need to draw attention to other problems supposedly inflicted by Haitians, again and again claiming that "communicable diseases" are "on the rise" and have "skyrocketed."newrepublic.com
. . . But it's very hard to square Vance's claims of "skyrocketing" diseases with official health data from Clark County, home to Springfield. That data shows that reportable communicable diseases in the county"excluding Covid-19, which dwarfs all others and surged during the pandemic for many other reasons"actually have declined in a broad sense. Despite a rise in 2022 that was the exception, they were actually lower in 2023 than they were in 2021 (when the Haitian influx gained steam), which in turn was lower than 2020 (before their arrivals really got going). The overall trend from 2020 through the end of 2023 is downward, not upward.
"If you look at all reportable diseases as a whole, they're actually going down," Chris Cook, the health commissioner of Clark County, told me.
Vance has also specifically suggested that cases of tuberculosis and HIV are rising or even soaring. But according to the county's data, there was one case of T.B. in 2021, three cases in 2022, and four cases in 2023. OK, that sort of constitutes "rising." But it's a tiny handful of cases out of a county population of 135,000.
What about HIV? Well, in 2022"the latest year of finalized data"there were around nine cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 people in Clark County. That is up from five cases in 2020, but that nine cases is barely higher than the current rate across all of Ohio, which had seven new cases per 100,000 people in 2022. And if you look at the numbers of people living with HIV as a condition"as opposed to new cases of it"there are fewer per 100,000 in Clark County than there are statewide, Cook points out.
Every case of T.B. and HIV is serious. But there is no plausible way to describe any of that in Vance's hyperbolic terms. Indeed, Cook describes those diseases as getting only a "slight bump" and suggests that singling out individual diseases is not particularly illuminating to begin with.
"As a measure of total health of a population," Cook told me, "individual diseases" are less informative than "trends of groups of diseases." And those trends are down. It's hard to see how anyone could seriously cast all this as a severe blight caused by Haitians.
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