Wednesday, September 18, 2024

Who knew Bill Clinton was a racist immigrant hater?

Bonus: He even calls them Illegals

Comments

Newt Gingrich kept him in check. Clinton had to do business with the GOP. He had to sound like one. Mirroring is something a good salesman does. Bill was a consummate politician.

#1 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-09-18 07:24 PM

They didn't call him Slick Willie for nothing.

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2024-09-18 07:27 PM

Did Bill Clintons speech in 1996 lead to 33 bomb threats ?

nope. your whataboutism sucks donkey dick.

#3 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-18 07:37 PM

" Did Bill Clintons speech in 1996 lead to 33 bomb threats ?

nope. your whataboutism sucks donkey dick.

#3 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-09-18 07:37 PM | FLAG: "

They were hoaxes. All originating from the same source in a foreign country, according to the governor of Ohio.

#4 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 08:24 PM

Since when did X posts become thread quality material?

This one is by someone living in 1996.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-18 08:26 PM

They were hoaxes. All originating from the same source in a foreign country, according to the governor of Ohio.

Strawlighter, you simply have no conscious do you? No one has stated that "all" the hoax threats were from foreign bots.

DeWine's spokesperson, Dan Tierney, said Tuesday that "the vast majority" of the bomb threats have come from foreign countries." He said a criminal investigation by multiple law enforcement agencies yielded information on the origin of the threats.

apnews.com

So who's telling the truth, DeWine's spokesperson or Strawlighter?

I report, you decide.

The bottom line was also encapsulated by what the Springfield mayor said about this entire sordid affair.

"We did not have threats seven days ago. We did not have these concerns seven days ago. We did not have these hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent in Springfield and from the state of Ohio in support seven days ago. We do today," Springfield Mayor Rob Rue said Tuesday.

Rue did not mention Trump or Vance by name, but called on national leaders to "temper their words and speak truth."

apnews.com

If we could only figure out why Springfield is dealing with this at the moment.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 08:41 PM

A fake bomb threat is still a bomb threat, strawbringer.

trump and jd vance are making peoples lives hell.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-18 08:49 PM

Trump and Vance had nothing to do with the bomb threats, Alexandrite.

Tony Roma,

I just created a thread that links to video of Dewine standing at a podium stating these were all hoaxes.

#8 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 08:59 PM

Unfetter3d illegal immigration is what is making people's lives hell.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 08:59 PM

Unfetter3d illegal immigration is what is making people's lives hell.
#9 | POSTED BY BULLBRINGER

Sorry to hear your life is hell.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-18 09:01 PM

The haitian immigrants in springfield ohio arent illegal ...

#11 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-18 09:04 PM

They're the "unfettered" part of his diatribe.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-18 09:07 PM

- Trump and Vance

Are blowing their lungs out with racist, immigrant bashing dog whistles to people who support them, and who then make bomb threats in a city where most of the immigrants are here legally.

What planet are you living on now, Jeffy?

The plan is to deport these people, violently if even slightly necessary.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-18 09:09 PM

I just created a thread that links to video of Dewine standing at a podium stating these were all hoaxes.

Gotdamn son, are you really this stupid? My post wasn't about all the threats being hoaxes, BECAUSE THEY WERE. No bombs went off, did they?

You said that ALL the threats were foreign-based which they WEREN'T. DeWine never said anything different.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that when specific bomb threats are made and no bombs are found or detonated, of course all of them are hoaxes. 99% of bomb threats are hoaxes.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 09:11 PM

This is what DeWine said:

"We have people unfortunately overseas who are taking these actions. Some of them are coming from one particular country."

To me that implies they were all foreign based. Some clarification from DeWine would be nice.

#15 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 09:22 PM

-The plan is to deport these people, violently if even slightly necessary.

You don't believe that.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-18 09:25 PM

Some clarification from DeWine would be nice.

I posted clarification from DeWine's own spokesperson! Damn, what is your malfunction? You do realize that government official's spokespeople speak directly for their boss right? That's the whole point, officials don't have time to talk to the press every single day.

DeWine's spokesperson, Dan Tierney, said Tuesday that "the vast majority" of the bomb threats have come from foreign countries." He said a criminal investigation by multiple law enforcement agencies yielded information on the origin of the threats.
Do you even bother to read before typing a response?

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 09:27 PM

-Do you even bother to read before typing a response?

You're bleeding out over "all" vs "vast majority"?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-18 09:30 PM

Bill Clinton?

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-18 09:30 PM


You do realize that government official's spokespeople speak directly for their boss right? That's the whole point, officials don't have time to talk to the press every single day.

They do this so they can't be pinned down on a topic/policy (See Harris Friday dump of surrogates on policies).

Who knows what's true just because spokesperson said something.


DeWine's spokesperson, Dan Tierney, said Tuesday that "the vast majority" of the bomb threats have come from foreign countries." He said a criminal investigation by multiple law enforcement agencies yielded information on the origin of the threats.

Be nice if you had the transcript. The contextomy the only thing we know from that statement is the person said "the vast majority" at some point and time during the interview. Why wouldn't they use the whole quote?

Did they arrest anyone? If they know the origin it shouldn't take long, no? Unless they don't care.

I might add, who knows who the people are that would do this. I wouldn't put it either side to do something like this.

#20 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-18 09:33 PM


You're bleeding out over "all" vs "vast majority"?
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It's Tony, his implication is some of them came from within the US. But he assumes it has to be a RW person.

But he has no evidence other than opposite polarity of "the vast majority".

#21 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-18 09:34 PM

he assumes it has to be a RW person.

I'd put money on the vast majority of bomb threats being made by RW persons.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-18 09:36 PM

You're bleeding out over "all" vs "vast majority"?

It's about the fact that SOME of the bomb threats came from inside this nation, and there wouldn't have been any threats at all if not for Trump and Vance throwing this city into their campaign.

I could care less that foreign interests piggy-back what Americans already do to ourselves. What do we expect those trying to divide and inflame us to do? That's why it's called counterintelligence.

Use deductive reasoning. The early threats were directed specifically at schools where Haitians predominantly attended. That wasn't something reported in the news before the threats started, so seemingly local knowledge would have been necessary to be so precise. The point of the threats were to put fear in the Haitians. Calling in a bomb threat to a school with few or no Haitians wouldn't achieve that, would it?

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 09:39 PM


-The plan is to deport these people, violently if even slightly necessary.

You don't believe that.
#16 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Here's the thing on the Haitian "immigrant" population, they are on the parole program.
www.uscis.gov

They are legally only allowed to stay 1 yr, or longer with permission (with work authorization).

Do you imagine the Haitians will fly back home voluntarily??

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-18 09:39 PM

= You don't believe that.

#16

When Trumpublicans tell you they are going to do something terminally stupid, hateful, divisive, racist, and completely unnecessary for any other reason than to change the Narrative on their most recent OTHER debacle... rinse, repeat.... you should believe it, too.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-18 09:40 PM


I'd put money on the vast majority of bomb threats being made by RW persons.
#22 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Only if it wasn't a hoax.

Next.

#26 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-18 09:40 PM

When Trumpublicans tell you they are going to do something terminally stupid ...

My take is Trump is a liar about all his policies.

You're saying he isn't? How's that boardwall?

#27 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-18 09:41 PM

It's Tony, his implication is some of them came from within the US. But he assumes it has to be a RW person.

I said nothing about who I think made the threats. The fact that they were made tells rational people something about them, the main thing being whoever did call in threats exercised stochastic terrorism. It could be anyone, but what partisans try to terrorize people into taking the action that they want? Who makes their case by intentionally demonizing innocent people? The Haitian community broke no law in being here. The followed the law. They don't deserve to be victimized for presidential politics, nor does the city of Springfield.

And tell us which "side" is currently doing that?

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 09:43 PM

" It's about the fact that SOME of the bomb threats came from inside this nation, and there wouldn't have been any threats at all if not for Trump and Vance throwing this city into their campaign."

It's impossible to prove this. I could say the same thing about Democrat rhetoric and 2 assassination attempts at Trump and can bring plenty of receipts.

It's not a game you want to play.

#29 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 09:49 PM

The Biden administration inserted 20,000 migrants into a town of 60,000. Car accidents are up, an uptick in disease, schools overloaded, etc. and the left will not acknowledge the problems this has created.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 09:51 PM

The Biden administration inserted 20,000 migrants into a town of 60,000. Car accidents are up,

They're Chinese?

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-18 09:57 PM

#30

Wow! That problem is SO much worse than an insurgency led by a Fake Elector Plan and a violent riot at the Capitol to halt the peaceful transfer of power and overturn the Certified results of an Election.

Boy, you've certainly got YOUR priorities straight.... assbackwards.

That mindless overreaching stretch of yours just buries J6 by comparison, right?

There's two parties and two choices... and you wanting to have things both ways is making you a laughing stock here.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-18 10:00 PM

" uptick in disease"

dirty vermin immigrants!

you're a pig.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-18 10:04 PM

" 2 assassination attempts at Trump"

by trump voters. your boy is stirring up violence.

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-18 10:06 PM

Car accidents are up, an uptick in disease, schools overloaded, etc. and the left will not acknowledge the problems this has created.

First, the number of Haitians in Springfield is likely between 10-12,000 people, a number arrived at by thorough research.

Second, and mindnumbinly puzzling, is why has JD Vance - who openly brags about knowing Springfield's situation for months - not done something in Congress to help his constituents? Yes(!), Springfield has undergone rapid growth that they didn't forecast, ergo the public infrastructure is strained by its new realities. This is where a decent Senator focuses his colleagues on these problems, and gets federal help asap.So where is JD on this?

The Haitians are integral to Springfield's current economy. Taking them away would depress the town into insolvency. It would crater real estate prices and drive rents into the ground. For as much as you try to make them the problem, they're more of the solution than you are. Same with undocumenteds who're already here and productive. If they were all deported, our economy loses GDP, we lose billions in taxes, and agriculture would literally leave crops rotting in the fields because there's not enough people here willing to do those jobs. That's why they hire undocumenteds in the first place.

As with most things, the right answer is somewhere in the middle. There are problems but most of them are outweighed by the benefits, which is precisely what Springfield's mayor, business community, and the Ohio governor all say. Address their problems like we would if we were talking about any city or suburb undergoing rapid growth. The tax base is growing in Springfield, so they should have the income to expand needed services, but building takes some time. State and federal government should do for them what I'd expect if it were my city struggling.

That's what we do in America. We don't build our politics on the backs of those we should lift up, not put down.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 10:33 PM

" you're a pig.

#33 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2024-09-18 10:04 PM | REPLY"

Piss off.

#36 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 10:38 PM

The Haitians are building their own American Dream just like your forebearers when they first got here. They're not asking for favors, nor a free ride.

It's so freaking maddening that you ignorant fat-asterisks who've seldom done a day of hard work always think that immigrants only come here to get on the dole! It's so elitist, it reeks of privilege. Most immigrants are here to do just what the Haitians are here for: To live a better life in the land of opportunity and to contribute to the betterment of their adopted community.

Springfield's employers all say the Haitians are their hardest workers and they wish that they had more. Doesn't say too much about Springfield's non-Haitians, does it? And that's the reason government services - including health services - are strained in Springfield is because so many of its residents are also on the dole, now faced with sharing them with the Haitians until they make enough or get jobs with health insurance provided.

Basically, Springfield's neer-do-well class is torqued about having to wait in line when they were in front before the Haitians came.

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 10:44 PM

Simple question Bell. Why do you want to hate the Haitians in Springfield? What did they do wrong that you want them deported for?

They're not perfect people, but neither are the rest of Springfield's residents. How is it the immigrants fault that the local infrastructure isn't equipped to handle the strain? It isn't the Haitians fault. They were told to go there if I understand the program. Should they have been located somewhere else? Should the immigration program they're here under be stopped, if so why?

We need immigrant workers to replace boomers. What have the Haitians done that enrages you Trump and Vance so?

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 10:50 PM

Unfetter3d illegal immigration is what is making people's lives hell.

#9 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 08:59 PM | Reply |

Says the ignorant buffoon.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-09-18 10:50 PM

" agriculture would literally leave crops rotting in the fields because there's not enough people here willing to do those jobs."

A George W Bush talking point?

#40 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 10:52 PM

#38. What makes you think I hate them?

I have nothing against people taking advantage of our effectively open southern border. I have a huge problem with current leadership holding the door open and waving them into our countries in numbers never before experienced. What is truly amazing to watch is mayor's of blue sanctuary cities screaming their resources are stressed to the breaking point when on a per capita basis their numbers are a fraction of what border towns are dealing with.

#41 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 10:56 PM

A George W Bush talking point?

A Funk and Wagnalls FACT!

Immigrant farmworkers make up an estimated 73% of agriculture workers in the United States. Farm labor is absolutely essential work that puts food on our tables across the country, powers the economy and supports our communities, from dairy farms in Wisconsin to strawberry fields in Florida and apple orchards in Washington. All together, food and agriculture sector is a $1.053 trillion industry.

Undocumented farm workers make up approximately 50% of the farm labor workforce. Without their hard work, millions of pounds of food would otherwise go unharvested. While these workers pay taxes and contribute to the economy, they are not protected by U.S. labor laws, and they live every day under the threat of arrest and family separation " all while working in extremely difficult conditions.

Despite lacking a legal immigration status, these workers and their families have lived in the United States for a long time. In general, the majority of undocumented immigrants have lived in the U.S. for more than ten years.

www.fwd.us

You really don't know these facts before you enter into discussions? Do you know how much GDP we lose if all undocumenteds were deported?
Removing undocumented residents from mixed-status households would reduce median household income from $41,300 to $22,000, a drop of $19,300, or 47 percent, which would plunge millions of US families into poverty.

If just one-third of the US-born children of undocumented residents remained in the United States following a mass deportation program, which is a very low estimate, the cost of raising those children through their minority would total $118 billion.

The nation's housing market would be jeopardized because a high percentage of the 1.2 million mortgages held by households with undocumented immigrants would be in peril.

Gross domestic product (GDP) would be reduced by 1.4 percent in the first year, and cumulative GDP would be reduced by $4.7 trillion over 10 years.

cmsny.org

In any way, shape, or form does any of this look like a good idea for our economic well-being? Undocumenteds are in every sector of our economy and if they were removed, we'd undermine our own well-being. Suicide is not good policy, ever,

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 11:03 PM

#41

That's well and good, but what's it got to do with the Haitians in Springfield?

You refuse to educate yourself on things you're ignorant of. There are no open borders, there never has been. The asylum rules have been changed. No one is denying our system is broken, yet you deny the best bipartisan solution in history was rejected by Trump to get idiots like you frothing out of that ignorance.

Trump doesn't want to solve the problem, he only wants to demagogue it, like he did in 2016. He had 4 years, and what did he improve in the overall system? Nada.

Here's what Biden and Harris have done.

They've addressed the root causes to stop people from reaching our borders and it's working. Fewer and fewer are showing up each month. But hard work isn't sexy not does it fit on bumper stickers.

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 11:09 PM

They've addressed the root causes to stop people from reaching our borders and it's working. Fewer and fewer are showing up each month.

And YES, Mexico, Panama and other countries immigrants travel through to reach America have upped their own border enforcements, turning migrants back to whence they came. I understand why our southern border crossings have slowed to lows not seen for 8-9 years. The asylum policy change has helped too. But hemispheric cooperation is likely the strongest repellant.

The reasons why other countries are helping us stem the flow is because of what's contained in the link. None of this is happening by chance, it's all part of a multi-pronged effort. And none of these factors required spending more money on static barriers across our Southern border that people either climb, cut through, or tunnel under - never completely stopping the illicit flow.

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-18 11:22 PM

Funny how HeffyB has NO problemo at all with Trump killing a significant Border Bill that Republicans had agreed to... just so he could do the brown people hate mongering he's doing now in Ohio... and elsewhere.

Selective outrage, anyone?

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-18 11:25 PM

After the election we need to deport all of the red hats, before they impregnate more couches.

#46 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-09-18 11:30 PM

Be nice if you had the transcript. The contextomy the only thing we know from that statement is the person said "the vast majority" at some point and time during the interview. Why wouldn't they use the whole quote?

"The vast majority of the bomb threats came from foreign countries. Not 100%, but it's the vast majority," Dan Tierney, DeWine's spokesperson, said Tuesday.

Tierney said a criminal investigation by multiple law enforcement agencies yielded information on the origin of the bomb threats. He was not more specific on how investigators determined they came from a foreign country, nor would he reveal the name of the country, saying that could encourage additional threats.

"These are largely foreign actors, not folks in the community or another part of the United States," he said. "We think it's useful in part because it shows that it's, you know, false, that it's safe to send your kids to school. And we're providing extra patrol support to make sure people feel safe at school."

www.pbs.org

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-18 11:37 PM

In addition to the bomb threats, there have been instances of vandalism, which are obviously not being done by foreign actors:

Frustrated and mad;' String of vandalism forces small businesses to close their doors
www.whio.com

Haitian families in Ohio under attack as racist claims spread
haitiantimes.com

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-18 11:53 PM

In addition to the vandalism, there has also been harrassment:

Springfield's Haitian community impacted by rumors

Haitians in Springfield are feeling the effects of the false claims made against them. Some have been the target of verbal racist attacks hurled against them, being called "dirty Haitian" and an "illegal," The Columbus Dispatch reports.

www.dispatch.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-19 12:00 AM

" It's about the fact that SOME of the bomb threats came from inside this nation, and there wouldn't have been any threats at all if not for Trump and Vance throwing this city into their campaign."
It's impossible to prove this.

Of all the small cities in the USA, foreign actors just happened to pick Springfield, OH to start sending dozens of bomb threats to after Donald Trump mentioned them on a national stage, and that's what in your book--just a weird coincidence?

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-19 12:06 AM

25

That's quite a rant.

But you don't believe it.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2024-09-19 12:43 AM

A fake bomb threat is still a bomb threat, strawbringer.

BullBringer is the type of person who shouts fire in a crowded theater for a laugh, then can't understand why it's not funny.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-19 03:07 AM

Since when did X posts become thread quality material?

This one is by someone living in 1996.

#5 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2024-09-18 08:26 PM | REPLY |

Care to respond to the video, or you going to keep playing footsie with the source?

BuT sPrINgFiEld!!!!

#53 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-09-19 08:29 AM

They were hoaxes.

Oh, well, then that makes it all okay then.

Care to respond to the video

Based on this I will not vote for Bill Clinton. Go clutch your pearls.

via GIPHY

#54 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-19 09:19 AM

The Biden administration inserted 20,000 migrants into a town of 60,000. Car accidents are up, an uptick in disease, schools overloaded, etc. and the left will not acknowledge the problems this has created.

#30 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-18 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't let facts get in the way Jeff.

It's what you do best for the guy you said you don't support.

#55 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-09-19 10:44 AM

"Based on this I will not vote for Bill Clinton"

Guess what, Einstein? No one claimed Bill Clinton was running for anything. I posted it to prove that career Democrats once supported a man they now label a racist - 2 terms, nonetheless.

#56 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-09-19 11:29 AM

You refuse to educate yourself on things you're ignorant of.

That's BullBringer's Modus Operandi.

Post lies, have several posters correct you.

Post the same lies again.

He does it All The Time.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-19 12:09 PM

For a person who pretends he doesn't support Trump, BullBringer repeats all his lies verbatim.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-19 12:11 PM

I watched a white lady resident of Springfield being interviewed today and she said exactly what I positied in post 35. She said that the local Haitian community along with the entire city of Springfield needs help in alleviating their current issues and problems exacerbated by the lack of adequate planning for the quick growth the town experienced when asking that the Haitians be relocated there to provide workers for local industries and businesses.

She also was adamant that politicians talking about immigrants eating cats and dogs offers no useful solutions whatsoever.

#59 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-19 12:15 PM

I posted it to prove

Nothing.

You proved nothing.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-19 12:16 PM

And just for the visual effect of the above, the lady was missing an upper front tooth easily recognized when watching her speak, so this wasn't a person of identifiable wealth or privilege, just an average white citizen who personally understands just what her city needs.

And it wasn't Trump nor Vance to come into town on their dishonest, lying campaign to smear all immigrants with the same brush.

#61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-09-19 12:18 PM

She also was adamant that politicians talking about immigrants eating cats and dogs offers no useful solutions whatsoever

They received 33 bomb threats.

Mission Accomplished!

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-19 12:21 PM

" No one claimed Bill Clinton was running for anything. I posted it to prove that career Democrats once supported a man they now label a racist - 2 terms, nonetheless."

If want to post something by Clinton that could be construed as racist, see if you dig up that BET interview quote where he said something along the lines of "black people watch TV, just like regular Americans". Most of the references to it have been either buried or scrubbed by Google's algorithm.

I haven't seen any mainstream Democrat label Trump a racist simply for opposing illegal immigration. I've seen some call him racist for his race baiting in conjunction with his supposed position on that issue. Of course, they rarely call out the far left as racist when they engage in race baiting. Imagine that, partisans are inconsistent and hypocritical. Shocking.

#63 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-09-19 02:43 PM

The Biden administration inserted 20,000 migrants into a town of 60,000. Car accidents are up, an uptick in disease, schools overloaded, etc. and the left will not acknowledge the problems this has created.
Posted by BellRinger

The uptick in disease claim is false:

What's more, Vance's dishonesty about Springfield goes well beyond the pet-eating scam and strays into other really dangerous territory. Vance has repeatedly cited a need to draw attention to other problems supposedly inflicted by Haitians, again and again claiming that "communicable diseases" are "on the rise" and have "skyrocketed."

. . . But it's very hard to square Vance's claims of "skyrocketing" diseases with official health data from Clark County, home to Springfield. That data shows that reportable communicable diseases in the county"excluding Covid-19, which dwarfs all others and surged during the pandemic for many other reasons"actually have declined in a broad sense. Despite a rise in 2022 that was the exception, they were actually lower in 2023 than they were in 2021 (when the Haitian influx gained steam), which in turn was lower than 2020 (before their arrivals really got going). The overall trend from 2020 through the end of 2023 is downward, not upward.

"If you look at all reportable diseases as a whole, they're actually going down," Chris Cook, the health commissioner of Clark County, told me.

Vance has also specifically suggested that cases of tuberculosis and HIV are rising or even soaring. But according to the county's data, there was one case of T.B. in 2021, three cases in 2022, and four cases in 2023. OK, that sort of constitutes "rising." But it's a tiny handful of cases out of a county population of 135,000.

What about HIV? Well, in 2022"the latest year of finalized data"there were around nine cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 people in Clark County. That is up from five cases in 2020, but that nine cases is barely higher than the current rate across all of Ohio, which had seven new cases per 100,000 people in 2022. And if you look at the numbers of people living with HIV as a condition"as opposed to new cases of it"there are fewer per 100,000 in Clark County than there are statewide, Cook points out.

Every case of T.B. and HIV is serious. But there is no plausible way to describe any of that in Vance's hyperbolic terms. Indeed, Cook describes those diseases as getting only a "slight bump" and suggests that singling out individual diseases is not particularly illuminating to begin with.

"As a measure of total health of a population," Cook told me, "individual diseases" are less informative than "trends of groups of diseases." And those trends are down. It's hard to see how anyone could seriously cast all this as a severe blight caused by Haitians.

newrepublic.com

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-09-19 05:07 PM

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