Saturday, September 28, 2024

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Earlier this week, we had an item about the "Harris Coalition," in which we noted that she's doing particularly well among Asian-American voters, as well as younger voters.
- FTA

The Asian thing is true, not so sure about the younger voters.

Nice to see newbie Hans posting some threads

Perhaps better content next time could be useful for discussions.

#1 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-28 10:07 AM

" newbie Hans"

never go full NPC.

#2 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-28 12:15 PM

HANS

Hans Meyer

Seniority: 23

Party: Democrat

Ideology: Liberal

Private E-mail

Joined 2005/06/16
Visited 2024/09/28

Status: user

you are stupid, oneironut.

#3 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-28 12:30 PM

"Nice to see newbie Hans posting some threads" - #1 | Posted by oneironaut at 2024-09-28 10:07 AM

Hans

Hans Meyer

Seniority: 23

Party: Democrat

Ideology: Liberal

Private E-mail
No Home Page

Joined 2005/06/16
Visited 2024/09/28

If 19+ years here on the Retort makes me a "newbie," then 6 years makes oneironaut a fetus
MAGAts post 100% pure BS because they believe that EVERYONE IS AS STUPID AS THEY ARE
I report, you decide.

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2024-09-28 12:36 PM

can we abort ?

#5 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-09-28 12:37 PM

"...not so sure about the younger voters."

Google is your friend.
www.washingtonpost.com

#6 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-28 12:41 PM

So-called ----- bitch can shut the ---- up.

#7 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-28 05:28 PM

"And if Donald Trump does lose this election, it will be substantially because he and his three Supreme Court justices unleashed forces they did not fully understand, and could not counteract."

And if Donald Trump wins the election it will substantially be because Democrats failed to fully understand how American Hispanics, who went through the system, feel about illegal immgrants having the red carpet rolled out for them.

Statistically, Hispanic women are a demographic that is seeing a large shift over the last 2 elections supporting Republicans.

I mean...they left their respective countries to get away from their violent cultures only to see Biden fly them in.

#8 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-29 08:00 PM

they left their respective countries to get away from their violent cultures only to see Biden fly them in.

They saw the demented------------- bus his filth-smearing cop killers into DC on J6.

#9 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-29 08:09 PM

Alex,

"can we abort ?"

That is an interesting question.

That points out how selective abortion will be used more and more to finetune births.

DNA research is making rapid inroads.

The opinion among many people is gays are "born this way". I'm not making a judgement call. I am sharing my observation.

Personally...I believe environment plays a substantial role in molding people towards developing sexual tastes and appetities.

What do you think grooming is all about?

That being said, if and when DNA markers can be isolated indicating a high degree of accuracy of the likelyhood of someone's child being born gay, can you guess one demographic that will see a drop in percentage of population?

I mean...be honest....how many couples who find themselves pregnant say, "I hope our baby is gay"?

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-29 08:11 PM

Rein,

"They saw the demented------------- bus his filth-smearing cop killers into DC on J6."

That is a stupid comparison.

Absolutely stupid.

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-29 08:17 PM

Lady B, you're the stupid ---- who never stops complaining about mail ballots.

#12 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-09-29 08:19 PM

Rein,

Mail-in ballots...well...now that you bring it up....

haha....nothing to add. I am seeing more states increasing early voting this election.

I am all in favor of that.

That is a great solution for people who want to vote. Fewer opportunties for human error and fraud.

If you can't find transportation to the polls within a few weeks, you don't really want to vote.

I personally trust the results of early voting more than mail-in voting. Provided we don't hear about some horrendous hack, public confidence will be much higher in accepting the results than wide scale mail-in ballots used in 2020.

If you can't get to the polls, apply for an absentee ballot but being lazy isn't a legitimate reason.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-29 08:29 PM

When I say "early voting"...I am not referring to early mail-in ballots.

I am only referring to early in-person voting recording and tabulating your vote before you leave the polling station.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-29 08:39 PM

" public confidence will be much higher in accepting the results than wide scale mail-in ballots used in 2020."

Public confidence only suffered because the sore loser kept lying about the efficacy of mail-in ballots, and all of Trump's Slurpers amplified the lie, all with ZERO proof, even after almost four years.

Time to get your nose out of Trump's backside.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-29 10:43 PM

Oh Jesus Christ. Bill Johnson is STILL talking about mail-in voting?? Seriously??

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-09-29 10:51 PM

IN 2020 massive changes to how people could vote were made in a very short period of time. Some changes were made by governors executive actions without state congressional approval. It was a bit chaotic, to say the least.

All best evidence shows that Biden had enough ballots in 3 swing states to seal the election. I don't dispute the result. I do understand how the result could be questioned based upon the way it all unfolded.

Georgia took steps to course correct their election process. I applaud their government for doing so.

I want a free and fair election where all VOTES are counted that were made by legally registered voters. Nothing more, nothing less.

#17 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-29 11:08 PM

Maybe if your boy, Trump, hadn't defunded the CDC to pay for his tax cuts, the TrumpVirus could have been mitigated.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-09-29 11:32 PM

You are ------- dumb. You must have manure for your brains.

#19 | Posted by BellRinger at 2024-09-29 11:40 PM

" IN 2020 massive changes to how people could vote were made in a very short period of time."

Massive?!? Absolutely not. Not even anything new; just an increase of one method and a decrease of the other.

And 100% of any-and-all changes went through proper channels.

As usual Bellringer is lying. Well, misrepresenting the truth.

Pathological.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 01:08 PM

Dan,

"just an increase of one method and a decrease of the other."

Absentee ballots have always had inherit problems.

2020 we saw wide scale use meaning those existing problems were compounded.

Small scale wasn't considered anything that might jeopardize final results and the winner.

Wide scale does have the potential to impact election results.

Eventually we will likely see a FUBAR election. We have to make changes to insure that day never comes.

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 01:41 PM

Absentee ballots have always had inherit problems.

2020 we saw wide scale use meaning those existing problems were compounded.

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson

What problems?

You never actually name them. It's always "People think there are problems..."

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-09-30 01:50 PM

If you can't get to the polls, apply for an absentee ballot but being lazy isn't a legitimate reason.

#13 | Posted by BillJohnson

Yes, the urban voters in Red States that have to wait in line 4-8 hours to vote are "lazy".

And don't forget. No chairs. Offering water or food is illegal. Just STAND in line for 4-8 hours. Miss work? Oh well. Pay for child care? Oh well.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-09-30 01:58 PM

Sy,

Maybe we need mobile concierge service.

Bring the ballot to your door.

Can't inconvenience anyone.

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 07:22 PM

Forcing people to vote in-person also allows shenanigans, up to and including forcing folks to wait 3-6 hours (or more) to vote. As I've pointed out in the past, at my white-person precinct, it took 11 minutes door-to-door, including 2 minutes to walk from the parking lot, and 2 minutes to walk back.

So...seven minutes.

It's unfathomable "certain" people have to spend 7 hours. But, of course, that's by design.

Voting should be made as easy as possible for all legal voters. And it should be THEIR choice of HOW they cast their votes.

Lies from liars (especially those with NO PROOF) should carry no weight at all. You're afraid of mail-in ballots? Don't use one.

Just don't lie about the efficacy.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 07:38 PM

"being lazy isn't a legitimate reason."

How about not wanting to face a 3-6 hour line?

Legitimate?

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 07:39 PM

Bill, serious question:

Should the ability of a legal voter casting a legal vote be made EASIER, or HARDER?

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 08:20 PM

Dan,

"Should the ability of a legal voter casting a legal vote be made EASIER, or HARDER?"

This will go over your head but my answer is neither.

If you can make the case discrimination is going on then you would have a point.

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 08:59 PM

Dan,

Easier for convience sake is nice but not a requirement.

Harder sounds like discrimination if it is proven to be a deliberate attempt to hamper voting.

#29 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 09:05 PM

"This will go over your head but my answer is neither."

Dude...nothing you have EVER said went over my head.

"If you can make the case discrimination is going on.."

That's easy: How many hours did you stand in line in 2020? If it's less than 6, I've made my case.

You're up: how long did it take you to vote?

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 09:06 PM

"Harder sounds like discrimination if it is proven to be a deliberate attempt to hamper voting."

You're right. Let's compare my 7 minutes to their 7 hours, shall we?

How long was your experience? (To make it equal, please don't count the minutes walking to and from your car.)

And do you agree SEVEN HOURS is "hampering"?

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 09:08 PM

Dan,

If everyone is required to vote in person unless they have a valid reason for getting an absentee ballot, sounds to me everyone is being treated the same.

Making special accomidations isn't required.

Just not discriminate.

#32 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 09:09 PM

Dan,

"And do you agree SEVEN HOURS is "hampering"?"

Sounds like a voting precinct needs to fix a problem...but that doesn't make it deliberate hampering as you are suggesting.

You're trying to frame the conversation into the direction of a specific conclusion.

Again..you have to prove it is deliberate discrimination to make the point you're trying to make.

#33 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 09:13 PM

"If everyone is required to vote in person unless they have a valid reason..."

You never answered if 7 hours is a valid reason. Why not?

"sounds to me everyone is being treated the same."

That's because you pretend your burden is the same as a single mother with three kids and two full-time jobs, expected to waste 7 hours in line. Ultimately, you don't want her to vote, right? Not unless she adheres to your made-up requirements.

Just admit it: you're a voter suppressionist. You want it easy for you, but very VERY hard for "certain" people.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 09:17 PM

"Sounds like a voting precinct needs to fix a problem...but that doesn't make it deliberate hampering as you are suggesting."

Sounds like you've got your head in the sand. It was no mistake that my precinct took 7 minutes. It was also no mistake "certain" folks had to wait 7 hours. ALL ON PURPOSE.

If you can't see that's "hampering", you're a moron's moron.

"Again..you have to prove it is deliberate discrimination "

If you can't see the difference between 7 minutes and 7 hours, there's no hope for you.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 09:20 PM

Dan,

"You never answered if 7 hours is a valid reason."

Yes..I answered your question.

I said it's a problem that needs fixed.

Does that not imply I think it's excessive?

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 09:20 PM

" I said it's a problem that needs fixed."

While you're in favor of exacerbating the problem.

And it's not just "a problem", it's purposeful suppression.

"Certain" other folks don't get the same advantage as you. Which is your entire goal.

How long did it take for you to vote? Why won't you answer that simple question?

You avoided it so long, I accused you of voting by mail, which you want to deny to others. You told me you voted in person, but since you won't specifically answer my specific question, I'm starting to believe you were lying.

My vote took seven minutes. How long did it take you to vote in person?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 09:48 PM

" Does that not imply I think it's excessive?"

Imply, Schmimply; is it SUPPRESSION?

Just be honest, for once in your life.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 09:50 PM

Dan,

"it's purposeful suppression."

I knew that was your point all along.

You now have to prove its deliberate discrimination and not just poor planning.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-09-30 09:53 PM

" You now have to prove its deliberate discrimination and not just poor planning."

If you don't believe me taking 7 minutes, and minorities forced to take 7 hours is "deliberate discrimination", you're a brainless moron. Especially since it happens election after election.

Are you a brainless moron?

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 10:05 PM

--- --- - --------- -----?

Rhetorical questions violate site policy.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-09-30 10:13 PM

@#39 ... You now have to prove its deliberate discrimination and not just poor planning. ...

What, exactly, is the "its" you refer to?


I've read the thread, but the answer to that question is not clear.

So I ask ...


#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-30 10:21 PM

"Rhetorical questions violate site policy."

Point well taken.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 10:46 PM

"You now have to prove its deliberate discrimination"

I've already done that.

You have to prove it's not.

You also have to answer the question: how long did it take you to vote?

Absent that, I believe you're lying, and you voted by mail, something you don't want "certain" "lazy" people to be able to do.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 10:51 PM

@#36 ...I said it's a problem that needs fixed.

Does that not imply I think it's excessive? ...

It also implies that you think it may not be enough.

All you said was that it was a problem. (and, reading through this thread, I do not yet know the specific problem of which you speak)

You did not say what the precise problem was.

So any presumption of the fix of the ambiguous problem you describe is faulty, by definition.


How can you fix a problem when that problem is ill-defined?

What is the problem to be solved?


#45 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-30 11:26 PM

Bill?

Lamplighter has a question for you on the table, as do I.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-30 11:45 PM

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