Monday, October 14, 2024

Polish Democracy Champion Walesa Sounds Alarm on Trump

Lech Walesa said he doesn't interfere in the internal affairs of other countries but the 2024 election "is too important for the world" for him to withhold his views. "I deeply believe that Americans will vote responsibly. In my opinion, I am completely convinced that Trump's election WOULD BE A MISFORTUNE FOR THE U.S. AND THE WORLD," he wrote, using all capital letters.

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Walesa, 81, played a historic role as leader of Solidarity, a labor union that advocated for workers' rights and greater freedoms during the 1980s, when Poland was still under Soviet-backed communist rule.

He won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1983 for his defense of workers' rights and universal freedoms more broadly.

Solidarity ended up playing a crucial role in the peaceful collapse of communism.

Walesa went on to serve one term as president of Poland.

It's frightening that so many around the world along with dozens who actually worked for him in his maladministration all see the same danger should Trump regain the Presidency.

Russia and other authoritarian-led states are getting a better return on the investments to divide America than people buying gold and precious metals - which have no practical utilitarian value should societies actually devolve to the point of bartering.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-14 03:10 PM

"I deeply believe that Americans will vote responsibly."

L-O - effing L!

#2 | Posted by censored at 2024-10-14 03:59 PM

He and Poland in general understand Vlad's desire to have dinner in a Russian-occupied Warsaw.

Trumpers, like the original American Nazi Firsters are appeasers rather than people who confront evil when they see it... and are wise enough to do so Over There rather than here at home.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-14 04:54 PM

Headline fail.

#4 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-14 04:59 PM

Okay, I see it's been edited now, but I still think we're way past the point where describing something as "sounding the alarm" on a known variable does anything productive.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-14 05:26 PM

#5

It's not a matter of what, it's a matter of who. Those of us old enough have first hand memories of how Walesa united his fellow countrymen through the union Solidarity, who eventually forced the then-Soviet puppet government out of power and into the dustbin of history and was elected President of Poland in his own right.

Back then, supporting Solidarity was a bipartisan staple and if my memory serves correct, when Walesa was able to travel to the US he was feted by Congress as a conquering hero. At my graduation in 1982, Notre Dame bestowed him with an honorary doctorate in absentia.

I'm equally sure as soon as someone tells Trump what he said, he too will unleash an obscene all-caps outburst in his typical 4th grade level English.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-14 08:11 PM

@#6 ... It's not a matter of what, it's a matter of who. ...

Bingo!

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-14 08:20 PM

'Unprecedented' and 'stunning' number of Trump administration alums oppose his reelection (April 2024)
www.usatoday.com

... A minimum of 16 Trump administration veterans have sharply criticized the ex-president, with terms such as "threat to democracy," "erratic," "delusional" and "narcissistic." ...

And that was way back in April.

More have proffered a similar view since then.

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-14 08:23 PM

'Unprecedented'

LOL.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-15 08:25 AM

"It's not a matter of what, it's a matter of who.'

Most voters have never heard of him. And the article you posted isn't doing him any favors by lumping him in with the din of amorphous people who have already "sounded the alarm" on Trump. This definitely could have been reported in a different way.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-15 08:38 AM

Most voters have never heard of him.

Spoken like the historically ignorant ---- you happen to be.

The voters whom Walesa is speaking to know exactly who he is and what his role was in ridding the globe of another self-serving authoritarian tyrant in the same mold as Trump.

Pick up a history book sometimes before spewing such idiocy for all to see. Walesa was one of the most influential people on the planet towards the ultimate collapse of the Soviet Union.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-15 09:00 AM

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Oh boy....Tony, do you think most voters have heard of this guy?

That's your point? MOST voters have heard of him?

Maybe 4% of voters have heard of him...even after this.

But your contention is that MOST have heard of him.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-15 09:07 AM

Tony, do you think most voters have heard of this guy?

Ebs, I seldom mince words. Try rereading what I stated:

The voters whom Walesa is speaking to know exactly who he is and what his role was....

Your 4 percent is woefully short. There are 58 million Americans over the age of 65, and I guarantee the majority of THEM remember who and what Walesa meant to the world in his time.

That is whom he's mainly speaking to, he isn't speaking to younger generations per se, as we see they don't even know who he is.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-15 09:20 AM

-There are 58 million Americans over the age of 65, and I guarantee the majority of THEM remember who and what Walesa meant to the world in his time.

LOL

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-15 09:41 AM

There are just under 9 million Americans who identify as Polish. About 780,000 of them live in Pennsylvania.
Anyone want to be that the majority of these voters know who Walesa is and what he meant to Polish independence?

Lech Walesa said he doesn't interfere in the internal affairs of other countries
-but that's not true.

It is true. Walesa expressed his personal opinion about what he recognizes from his own life experience. Is your opinion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and your resolution of it mean that you're "interfering" in their internal affairs?

Explain just how his opinion "interferes" with anyone else's free will choice?

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2024-10-15 09:56 AM

I'm sorry Trump supporters, if you won't listen to him you're not colluding with the enemy, you are the enemy!

#17 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-15 01:13 PM

"I'm sorry Trump supporters, if you won't listen to him you're not colluding with the enemy, you are the enemy!" -

#17 | Posted by Danni

Definitely needed repeating.

#18 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-15 01:18 PM

nd yes, I hope my MAGA BROTHERS READ THIS POST!

#19 | Posted by danni at 2024-10-15 01:21 PM

Gods, I didn't even know he was still alive!
He looks very good for his 81 years. I guess he
handled the stress well.

#20 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-10-15 02:48 PM

Walesa is right

Trump's unhinged

So agree his former senior aides and 200 Republican former national security officials

And the dotard won't even answer questions from his own rally attendees or, the latest refusal, CNBC

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-10-15 05:20 PM

"Walesa is right"

Like I said, this could have been reported differently. Instead, some people are determined to continue repeating the same mistakes from 2016.

Sound the alarm!

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-15 08:32 PM

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