Monday, October 21, 2024

Real Scenario Where Trump Loses and Takes Power Anyway

Dozens of interviews with people deeply familiar or involved with the election process point to a clear consensus: Not only could Trump make a second attempt at overturning an election he loses, he and his allies are already laying the groundwork.

Posted by Corky at 09:33 AM | 17 COMMENTS | permalink

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"The threat remains," said Tim Heaphy, who led the investigation into Trump's election subversion efforts for the House's Jan. 6 select committee.

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The answer, according to lawmakers, congressional investigators, party operatives, election officials and constitutional law experts, goes something like this:

" He will deepen distrust in the election results by making unsupported or hyperbolic claims of widespread voter fraud and mounting longshot lawsuits challenging enough ballots to flip the outcome in key states.

" He will lean on friendly county and state officials to resist certifying election results " a futile errand that would nevertheless fuel a campaign to put pressure on elected Republican legislators in statehouses and Congress.

" He will call on allies in GOP-controlled swing-state legislatures to appoint "alternate" presidential electors.

" He will rely on congressional Republicans to endorse these alternate electors " or at least reject Democratic electors " when they convene to certify the outcome.

" He will try to ensure Harris is denied 270 votes in the Electoral College, sending the election to the House, where Republicans are likely to have the numbers to choose Trump as the next president.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-20 03:28 PM

" He will try to ensure Harris is denied 270 votes in the Electoral College, sending the election to the House, where Republicans are likely to have the numbers to choose Trump as the next president"

How?

#2 | Posted by homerj at 2024-10-20 05:40 PM

lol... so, you're good with all the other illegal things he'll do?

There are poor misled Trumpers in prison now for pretending to be Electors.

Interfering with Elector selection is how, by officials that don't have the right to interfere legally.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-20 05:58 PM

" He will try to ensure Harris is denied 270 votes in the Electoral College, sending the election to the House, where Republicans are likely to have the numbers to choose Trump as the next president"
How?
#2 | Posted by homerj

I saw Kyle Cheney, one of the authors of this article, on MSNBC this morning, and he said that this plan will only potentially work if Republicans retain the House and Johnson retains the speakership.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-21 08:03 AM

How?
#2 | Posted by homerj

The how is outlined in an article Et Al posted recently:

The second and only other basis on which the bipartisan Congress agreed it could lawfully object is also extremely limited. Congress can object if the document a governor sends in, identifying the electors, is defective in some way. Again, this provision does not give Congress the power to second guess the voting process in a state. Indeed, Sen. Ted Cruz voted against the Act precisely because it shut down Congress' power to do so.

The entire thrust of the ECRA is to emphasize that any disputes over the voting process are to be resolved in the courts, not in Congress.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Yes, the courts held in 2020, but will they in 2024? The SC will be the final arbitor, but I have no confidence that their rulings will be fair and impartial and won't favor Donald Trump.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2024-10-21 08:21 AM

Please, independent and undecided voters, tell me again how "both parties are the same"!

#6 | Posted by e1g1 at 2024-10-21 11:01 AM

1 in 5 Republicans want Trump to call election invalid if he loses
www.axios.com

... Nearly one in five Republicans say that if Donald Trump loses the 2024 election, he should declare the results invalid and do whatever it takes to assume office, according to a new national survey. ...

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 11:19 AM

LMAO when you have nothing to stand for, you'll post anything.

"Dozens of interviews with people deeply familiar or involved with the election process point to a clear consensus: Not only could Trump make a second attempt at overturning an election he loses, he and his allies are already laying the groundwork"

#8 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-21 12:31 PM

#8

There are amoebas with more brain cells.

Just sayin'.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 12:40 PM

#8 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Trump attempted a coup once. Of course he'll try again. Pukes like him do that; pukes like you support it.

Age-old story. Hoping that this time he and the rest of you will fail and burn in hell.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 12:45 PM

#8 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

One of the fundamental insights into MAGA, and people like you, is that you support Trump precisely because he is a bad man.

Your twistedness and perversion are self-explanatory.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2024-10-21 12:47 PM

@#4 ... this plan will only potentially work if Republicans retain the House and Johnson retains the speakership. ...

Yup.

fmr Pres Trump has fewer levers to pull for this election.

On the other hand he has more MAGA-friendly people in place in critical areas.

My concern is, and has been, not necessarily the ultimate destination but the (possibly dangerous) journey the Country will take to reach a destination.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 01:18 PM

There are amoebas with more brain cells.

Just sayin'.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 12:40 PM | Reply |

You posted an article with anonymous people "familiar" with the subject matter... Not me.

#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2024-10-21 01:26 PM

From Politico Mag by 4 of their best writers.... but hey, were you to read something other than Fox Kid's News, you would have already known from news outlets everywhere what Trump will be doing when he loses... Couping again.

But as a traitor yourself, who supports criminal traitors, that would be asking way too much.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2024-10-21 02:05 PM

He will deepen distrust in the election results by making unsupported or hyperbolic claims of widespread voter fraud and mounting longshot lawsuits challenging enough ballots to flip the outcome in key states.

After he loses, he is going to have his hands full dealing with all of his pending court cases. And, with the flow of campaign money grinding to a halt, he is going to be sweating how he can continue paying those enormous legal fees.

#15 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2024-10-21 04:21 PM

With Putin advising Trump's campaign, the odds are that a well-studied plan is in place. As a KGB pro in strategies to promote challenges to the world's democracies, Putin's a master in anti-democratic tactics. And Tchump is Putin's tool. But Trump, a patently self-unaware narcissist cannot tell that he's a tool, just a toy, to Russia's dictator.

#16 | Posted by Augustine at 2024-10-21 06:32 PM

Democracy has many enemies, that is clear, and Donald Trump and his minion Vance, are at the top of the list.
(Hmm...is Vance trump's minion, or is Trump Vance's minion?)

#17 | Posted by Hughmass at 2024-10-22 07:09 AM

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