Sunday, November 24, 2024

Trump plans to kick trans troops out of military on 1st day

Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive order that would remove transgender service members from the military as soon as his first day in office.

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The president-elect is reportedly preparing to issue an order following his inauguration on January 20 that would effectively ban trans people serving in the military " and then medically discharge the thousands of currently serving trans service members in the armed forces.

In his first term in office, Trump declared that the US would no longer "accept or allow" trans people in the military, citing "tremendous medical costs and disruption," he wrote in 2017. The ban took effect in 2019.

President Joe Biden reversed that policy

Mmmm...butterymales...

#1 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-24 10:33 PM

Loomer has a penis.

Just sayin'.

#2 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-11-24 11:13 PM

It is becoming obvious...

Pres-elect Trump does not seem to care about the security of the Country.

To the contrary, he seems to want to sow chaos into the military.

Why?

Possibly to make America a weak counter to his apparent master, Pres Putin.

Of course, that raises the question, just what does Pres Putin have on Pres-elect Trump that the former seems to have such a level of control over the latter?

As a corollary...

What do foreign interests have over the trump nominees to the point tht the Trump campaign does not want background checks to unearth?


And Pres-elect Trump seems to be concerned about trans folk in the military?

imo, he has much larger personnel issues to be concerned about.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-25 12:20 AM

"tremendous medical costs and disruption,"

Expensive? Get rid of fertile wives and their brats.

#4 | Posted by mattm at 2024-11-25 10:41 AM

www.newsweek.com

Now his team is saying nay.

#5 | Posted by mattm at 2024-11-25 04:13 PM

Are there actually thousands? I thought liberals said that sex changes were only paid for by the military a couple dozen times a year

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2024-11-25 04:33 PM

Many trans people choose not to have gender affirming surgery. Both are probably correct, thousands of trans people in the military with only a few choosing to have any surgery.

#7 | Posted by mattm at 2024-11-25 04:52 PM

www.military.com

Is the amount a lot? In my view no, considering the DOD budget and what is spent to keep many personnel fit for duty.

#8 | Posted by mattm at 2024-11-25 04:55 PM

Trump might, could, expected to, sources say. Another solid thread based on facts. S/

#9 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2024-11-25 04:57 PM

Trump is pure chaos. He has no center beyond whatever he can grift or get away with, and whatever hurts people along the way.

Trump is a nihilist.

#10 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-11-25 04:59 PM

Trump is an opportunist.

He will say anything at anytime should he feel it advantageous.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-11-25 05:05 PM

#5 | Posted by mattm

Take the man at his word - not his team.

#12 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2024-11-26 10:14 AM

@#11 ... Trump is an opportunist.

He will say anything at anytime should he feel it advantageous. ...

Yup.

Totally transactional for the benefit of no one else but himself.



#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-26 09:05 PM

Should people who require daily HRT be eligible to serve in the military if people who are Type 1 diabetics and require daily insul or pumps are disqualifed?

This is not a gay rights issue.

This is more about being combat ready since this is not a social club but people must be fit for duty.

I'm not saying I agree with the idea of kicking them out.

But this is a delimna for the military and for those who serve side by side with people who depend on each other.

On a side note, I bring this up from time to time. I was delighted to see gays be able to openly serve in the military. I was kicked out before DADT. It was simply gays not allowed when I was booted. We had to sneak around and most worried about being found out.

During the summer of 1975 I was friends with Leo Matlovitch when he got on the cover of Time magazine. Leo was the very first active duty gay man who challenged the long standing rule of "no gays allowed". He eventually won years later. I knew him when he was in the Air Force and I was in the Navy.

I have nothing against gays serving in the military but the question of combat readiness does not come into play with gays but it can with transgenders.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-26 09:46 PM

BillJohnson shows his transphobic bigotry again. Not surprisingly.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-26 09:50 PM

@#14 ... people who are Type 1 diabetics and require daily insul or pumps are disqualifed?

This is not a gay rights issue. ...

I agree it is not a gay rights issue.

But your comment seems to conflate a medical condition (e.g., Type 1 diabetes) with a person.


As such, the comparison is an incorrect one.


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-26 10:05 PM

I served in a hostile environment. We had hundreds taking daily medications. Our pharmacy was well stocked with a variety of chronic medications that could be filled, including hormones. Not everyone taking hormones is transitioning.
So we should have sent home the SGM that had low T?

#17 | Posted by mattm at 2024-11-26 10:14 PM

Matt,

Combat readiness is a much discussed topic.

There's the issue of women being drafted as well as transgenders serving that are being discussed if they affect combat readiness.

There's people taking both sides and I don't think you can assume its a partisan issue.

#18 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-26 11:34 PM

Combat readiness is a much discussed topic.

Bone spurs are disqualifying for sure.

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-26 11:38 PM

@#19 ... There's the issue of women being drafted ...

Wait, what?!?!

Has the draft been re-instated?

Selective Service System
www.sss.gov

... There is no draft at present. ...


Maybe do not base your comment(s) on an assertion that is so easily shown to be wrong.


#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-11-27 12:09 AM

This has nothing to do with combat readiness and everything to do with loathing and a sizeable portion of the armed services and society finding these people unacceptable.

Trump tossing them out is entirely in keeping with his past practices and his campaign promises.

#21 | Posted by censored at 2024-11-27 07:36 AM

Censor,

I don't think you fully understand how the military views itself.

When you join the military, your individual rights are significantly reduced and you fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). This is not a civilian workplace catering to cultures.

As of late there are military leaders who are concerned about DEI initives in the military and the impact on combat readiness.

Concerns include the military mentality emphasised in training of unity rather than stressing individal identities, political agendas becoming part of the military environment and simply the resources redirected for DEI that could be better spent on combat readiness.

Bottom line, calling everything a phobia, ism, or bigoted thinking just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of military culture.

The military isn't about catering to individual sensitivities. It's about building unity, discipline, and mission readiness.

These sort of negative labels undermines the cohesion and trust required in a team where everyone's focus must be on the mission, not personal grievances or ideological battles.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-27 12:06 PM

Lamp,

I know we aren't drafting currently.

I should have worded it, "should women be required to register for Selective Service".

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2024-11-27 12:08 PM

As of late there are military leaders who are concerned about DEI initives in the military and the impact on combat readiness.

Started with Truman and those uppity negroes.

My unit did just fine with lesbians, gays, cis, Hispanic, African American and even some straight white males.
If someone has a complex hormone regimen that cannot be maintained in the field (rare) then they would be reassigned to a unit until they are fit for deployment. Similar to pregnant service members.
They only people worrying about unit cohesion are bigots.

#24 | Posted by mattm at 2024-11-27 12:12 PM

BillJohnson writes so much when all he has to do was write. I believe trans people are icky and I don't want them in MY military. It would have avoided so much bloviations

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2024-11-27 01:24 PM

It would have avoided so much bloviations

At least he doesn't pretend he cares about women's sports.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2024-11-27 01:57 PM

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