Sunday, February 23, 2025

U.S. and Ukraine Appear to Move Closer to Deal for Minerals

The Trump administration appeared to be making progress on Friday toward a deal that would give the United States valuable mineral rights in Ukraine.

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Ukraine has pushed back against US demands for a $500 billion fund that would be part of a deal to give Washington a cut of the country's mineral wealth.

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-- Bloomberg News (@bloomberg.com) February 22, 2025 at 4:26 PM

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What a disgrace we've become. Reagan is rolling around in his grave.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2025-02-21 10:55 PM

nearing a deal that could bring up to $500 billion to the United States.

So how exactly would that work? I mean Lewzer is obviously lying, but there must be some kind of logic to it.

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-02-21 11:32 PM


I am truly ashamed of my country
~ TruthNLies

You should be ashamed by FDR too then.

FDR stripped the UK of all its gold and negotiable reserves before agreeing to Lend Lease.
He told them Canada was not suitable as a destination for their monarchy in distress, only the Caribbean.

FDR deliberately structured US intervention to doom the British Empire and take it into American receivership.

UK only finished repaying WWII debt in 2006.

#3 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-21 11:37 PM

#3

Merely more Whatabouisms... and less brains. Were it not for logical fallacies, he wouldn't be able to post at all.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-21 11:39 PM

@3

Leave it to magat scum to try and deflect to justify this act of wanton theft from a desperate country suffering under the criminal invasion by an authoritarian dictatorship.

This is nothing but ------- pointing the Russian gun at Ukraine and telling them to give the US half of their mineral wealth or we will allow Russia to take all of Ukraine. It is brazen blackmail. It is morally reprehensible.

Let me remind you of a few facts.

In 2022 Ukraine lend lease bill was passed unanimously in the US Senate on April 6, 2022, and passed in the House of Representatives by a vote of 417"10[4] on April 28, 2022.

No strings like ------- is retroactively putting on a democratic victim of authoritarian aggression is in there.

And do not for a second fool yourself, this will NOT benefit America, this will benefit the corporations who will go in and strip mine Ukraine of its minerals and the second they are doe, Russia will invade and take the rest because I am sure ------- has no plans to ensure Ukrainian security.

Oh and -------, Europe has provided MORE in defense aid to Ukraine, but ------- is leaving them out in the cold.

This is vile, destabilizing, and immoral and right in line with magat scum values.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-22 12:00 AM

And, yet again, I am proven right in my predictions.

I predicted the wholesale transformation of our country.

We have officially disregarded our allies and embraced dictatorships. We are abandoning Europe, antagonizing our neighbors and embracing Putin.

That realignment of our foreign policy is tremendous. 80 years of stable and prosperous alliances thrown out the window.

And ------- morons are cheering.

China is swooping in and taking advantage of our withdrawal of USAID and throwing tariffs on developing nations and threatening to invade sovereign countries. While we dump immigrants on these countries and threaten tariffs or military action, China is building ports for trade.

------- morons will wonder 5 years from now, why Vietnam, Africa and South and Central America have all these trade agreements with Brazil, India and China and we can't sell ---- there or acquire any of their natural resources.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-22 12:07 AM

Then why arent you people leaving?

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2025-02-23 08:06 AM

#7
Maybe to help save it from people like you.

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2025-02-23 08:22 AM

Why should anyone leave? Fighting against the changes is more Entertaining.

They want to turn the country into TRUMP'S PERSONAL FIEFDOM, Eff that!

He needs a Humbling, Pronto.

Eventually he will get it Too.

It might not be that long either.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-02-23 09:15 AM

Leave it to magat scum to try and deflect to justify this act of wanton theft from a desperate country suffering under the criminal invasion by an authoritarian dictatorship.

Not a deflection, people hold up FDR and what he did for the world as GREATNESS, yet he put people through tough times.
Are you saying wasn't Poland wasn't criminally invaded by an authoritarian dictatorship?

You have nothing TruthNLies, you get upset over anything Trump does, good or bad, besides you lost your credibility so long a ago, people just make fun of your outrageous posts.

That realignment of our foreign policy is tremendous. 80 years of stable and prosperous alliances thrown out the window.

Being a doormat and taking in the worlds garbage people isn't a long term strategy. Even Europe is waking up to this fact. US, and its relations had been decaying for 20 years now.

Times change, adversaries change, friends change, America's adversary isn't Russia, its China as I have stated previously, America and China are on a war footing.
Europe isn't helping its integrating with China and Russia, even before Trump came to office.

Do you think blowing up NordStream2 helped our relations?

Maybe to help save it from people like you.

Nah, TruthNLies can't help himself, he posts here were there are maybe 20 posters.

#10 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-23 10:23 AM

"people hold up FDR and what he did for the world as GREATNESS, yet he put people through tough times."

Not on purpose.

You don't see a difference?!?

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-02-23 10:25 AM

#11

There are none so blind as those who will not see. - Jonathon Swift

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-23 11:18 AM

Freedom isn't Free.

...

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 04:39 PM

Yep... Trump is now the Leader of the Fee World.

Where there's a price for your existence.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-23 04:44 PM

It's always had a financial price tag. It's just a question of whom pays it.

"To date, we have provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $69.2 billion in military assistance since Russia's initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014. We have now used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $27.688 billion from DoD stockpiles."

Not including USAF/USN support ops with drones over the Baltic, etc, up to Jan 20 2025 we supplied 3 Patriot batteries, 12 NASAMS, 3000 stingers, MIM-23 Hawk, AIM-7, RIM-7, AIM-9M missiles, Avengers, VAMPIRE c-UAS, c-UAS gun trucks most people probably didn't even know we had, 21 radar system, 40 HIMARS systems, GLSDB, 200 howitzers with 3.1 million 155mm rounds, 72 smaller howitzers with another million rounds, 31 tanks, 300 bradleys (the thing they needed more than anything as is the victim of long time Russian propaganda smears that even turned into a Kesley Grammar movie), 400 Stryker, 900 M113, 400 M1117, 1000 MRAPs, 5000 hummers (living their best life).. that's only the tip of the iceberg.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 05:13 PM

The blood price, only Ukraine can pay that and they need a lot more bodies unfortunately.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 05:14 PM

Ukrainian Logistics Officer continues to be one of the worst non-combat military operational specialties in history.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 05:15 PM

"most Ukrainian sources are
saying Ukraine will not accept a deal
that doesn't include security guarantees

Trump has referred to the idea of
Ukraine turning over mineral rights as
payback for previous Military Support

he's demanding half a trillion dollars
by US state department figures the US
has provided less than 70 billion"

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#18 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-23 05:18 PM

It's worse than that. The deal is, $50 billion in aid, $100 billion returned to the US.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 05:24 PM

Whatever X value in aid, 2X back to the US.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 05:24 PM

------- embarrassing.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 05:25 PM

Trumps foreign policy has been described as, "transactional".

Which in his case means only if he can run a scam on somebody.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-23 05:31 PM

Trumps foreign policy has been described as, "transactional".

Similar to FDR's.

#23 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-23 05:40 PM

The blood price, only Ukraine can pay that and they need a lot more bodies unfortunately.

Corky volunteers, or else he's a PutinPuppet!

#24 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-02-23 05:40 PM

IAMRUNT, your child-raping hero would've blamed Poland for being invaded by Germany and the USSR.

#25 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2025-02-23 05:47 PM

How does one say, "Simp" in Chinese?

We do want to make sure 1Nut understands the impression he makes around here.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-23 05:50 PM

Maybe we should change the Whataboutism logical fallacy to, Whatasimpism. You know in his honor.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-23 05:51 PM

"GOP rep calls US-Ukraine resource deal victim extortion'

Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.) said Sunday that forcing Ukraine to agree to a resource deal with the U.S. in exchange for the possibility of support against Russia is akin to "victim extortion."

The moderate Republican said Russian President Vladimir Putin, who launched the invasion of Ukraine three years ago, should be the one forced to pay.

"Putin, and Putin alone, should bear the economic costs of Putin's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine," Fitzpatrick said in a post on the social platform X.

"To force Ukraine to pay these costs is the epitome of victim-blaming and victim extortion."

thehill.com

"Brian! Move away from that window!"

A Repub with at least one ball left.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2025-02-23 05:56 PM

For the FDR comparison to hold any water, the US's lend lease program would have started from 1939 to be providing aid to GB and later the USSR with no conditions and then circa November 1941, FDR got together with hitler to come to an agreement where hitler got all of France, the low countries, Norway, Greece, Yugoslavia, much of North Africa and to the east on a line roughly from Leningrad to Rostov on the Don as well as Great Britain having to oust Churchill and putting Sir Oswald Mosley in as PM, while forcing GB, USSR, France, China et al each paying America a half billion dollars.
All without any security guarantees against further German aggression.

Of course, there is no equivalency, because FDR wasn't a fascist dictator

The same could not be said for the current US president.

And, I will say without question, this action is morally bankrupt.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2025-02-23 06:50 PM

Britain & Russia didn't finish paying off lend lease until 2006.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 07:10 PM

There's also the massive amounts of US military spending that's not accounted for in Ukraine spending claims. Drones flying over the Black Sea to track Russian ships, the vast surveillance apparatus that feeds Ukraine intel, everything it takes to support the US private space program that Ukraine's military cannot function without, etc.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2025-02-23 07:14 PM

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