Tuesday, March 25, 2025

IRS Predicts DOGE Lost Half a Trillion Dollars for the USA

The Post reports today that the IRS' internal projections estimate that the DOGE-driven disruptions to the IRS since the inauguration are on track to have reduced tax receipts by more than $500 billion by April 15th. This, to be clear, is not a final tally. It's not April 15th yet. It's a projection based on historical data, the number of people who've filed, paid owed amounts of tax, etc.

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"IRS Predicts DOGE Lost Half a Trillion Dollars for the USA" "in about eight weeks DOGE managed to lose the U.S. government -- more or less light on fire -- more than half of what goes to all non-defense discretionary spending ... " talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/irs-p ...

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-- Rachel Maddow (@maddow.msnbc.com) March 24, 2025 at 1:03 PM

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More: It's worth taking a moment to put this number into some context in case half a trillion dollars doesn't do it for you. Non-defense discretionary spending is the cost to fund the U.S. government once you take out mandatory spending (mostly Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid) and the cost of the U.S. military. For 2023 that number was $917 billion. So that's most of the stuff we think of as the government, apart from those payment programs and the military. In other words, in about eight weeks DOGE managed to lose the U.S. government " more or less light on fire " more than half of what goes to all non-defense discretionary spending.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2025-03-24 03:04 PM

That's what happens when you hire non-accountants to do "accounting". Of course, we all understood the ruse from the start. They're destroying the government so they can further sell our country out to oligarchs. The "efficiency" argument is a pathetic line of bull$#!+ that even an idiot can see

#2 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-03-24 03:08 PM

In just 60 days!?!

Talk about Efficiency!!!

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-24 03:09 PM

^"Accounting" should read "auditing"

#4 | Posted by hamburglar at 2025-03-24 03:09 PM

They can't do either.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-24 03:12 PM

Breaking our tax system and the government it pays for was always the GOP's goal.

Social security defunding to give tax cuts to billionaires.

#6 | Posted by censored at 2025-03-24 03:17 PM

Just cut to the chase:

"Breaking ... the government ... was always the GOP's goal."

And Putin's too!

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-24 03:19 PM

Wow.... gonna be a lotta rwingnuts on this thread... not.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-24 03:40 PM

#8

Psychic I tells ya!

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-24 05:33 PM

Most Trump voters already live in shht and squalor.

Destroying the rest of the nation won't change their lives at all.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-24 05:36 PM

That half trillion the IRS can no longer collect was just going to be spent on Waste, Fraud, and Abuse anyway.
Most government spending is Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. That is why we are defunding the United States of America.
--Republicans

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-24 05:37 PM

4 things to know about rooting out government fraud and DOGE's approach to it now

PBS
www.youtube.com

*WARNING*

short vid NOT Certified Fact-Free for Trumpers.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2025-03-24 05:54 PM

The Democrats in Congress need to get on this story and publicize it far and wide. I trust AOC and Bernie will.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2025-03-24 10:29 PM

Malicious compliance or gaslighting?

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-25 12:58 AM

Visitor_ really believe Walmart could fire half the people working at Walmart and it wouldn't change anything for Walmart customers.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-25 05:39 AM

The point was never about effeciency.

It was always about destroying the government in order to privatize it.

Fat Nixon was happy to help because they were mean to him by holding him accountable for his criminal activity.

#16 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-03-25 07:53 AM

Visitor_ really believe Walmart could fire half the people working at Walmart and it wouldn't change anything for Walmart customers.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-25 05:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Let me give you and example of Walmart effeciency:

They heard everyone into self checkouts. At each self checkout is one person watching the customers for problems and theft. So now the customers do the work and the employees stand around watching the customers work.

#17 | Posted by Nixon at 2025-03-25 07:55 AM

Visitor_ really believe Walmart could fire half the people working at Walmart and it wouldn't change anything for Walmart customers.

#15 | Posted by snoofy

Some people ingested too much mercury as children.

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2025-03-25 11:11 AM

Walmart couldn't fire half of their employees, but the Federal Government could.

#19 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-25 11:50 AM

"I know this because I pulled that outta my ass!"

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2025-03-25 11:53 AM

I'm using the number Snoofy pulled from his ass. Even in well run organizations there is something called the 80/20 rule, 80% of the work is done by 20% of the workers.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-25 12:11 PM

"the 80/20 rule, 80% of the work is done by 20% of the workers."

Yeah, and?

Why doesn't every company just fire 20% of the workers then?

Explain.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-25 12:15 PM

Because management is part of the 80%. Or I should say Management and Snoofy are part of the 80%.

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-25 12:37 PM

"Because management is part of the 80%."

So fire them.
You claim they are under-performing.
So why not fire them?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-25 12:42 PM

Snoofy you are such an inspiration. You're a light for anyone who's ever been told by their boss they can't drink on the job. You go guy!

#25 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-25 01:10 PM

You're an inspiration for no one. You never even tried to be one either. You've literally done nothing with your life, Visitor_.

I'd say your parents would be disappointed , but I'm pretty sure you're cut from the same low-grade cloth as they were.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-25 01:12 PM

I paid you a compliment and you come back with such a hurtful statement.

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-25 01:21 PM

Sure thing.

Visitor_, you are an inspiration for people who do not want to work. All you have to do is drive drunk into a tree, give yourself permanent brain damage, hire Binder and Binder to get you SSDI, and then you can sit in your wheelchair and watch MeTV all day.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-25 01:25 PM

Good plan until the FCC decides to implement ATSC 3.0.

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-25 02:07 PM

Even in well run organizations there is something called the 80/20 rule, 80% of the work is done by 20% of the workers.

#21 | Posted by visitor_

Then why, again, does it look like they are going to increase the deficit by $500B?

It looks to me like your Republicans are the 80% firing the 20% that actually do the work. Unless you have any countering evidence that they are firing the RIGHT people?

But really this is just a Republican popularity contest. It is not about firing people who don't contribute. It is about firing anyone who disagrees with you.

It is interesting that the people who (apparently) actually do the work are ALSO the ones that disagree with Republicans. But, honestly, that has been obvious to anyone without ideological blinders on for years.

#30 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2025-03-25 03:19 PM

there is something called the 80/20 rule

We talking about how kids are using it? 80% of women are attracted to 20% of men.

80% of the work is done by 20% of the workers.

Time to fire the CEOs and shareholders.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-03-25 03:24 PM

I'm already paying $20,000 more a year to IRS than Trump OR Musk. Why should I bother to fill out my tax forms now correctly...or honestly?

#32 | Posted by e1g1 at 2025-03-25 05:30 PM

#32 "Why should I bother to fill out my tax forms now correctly...or honestly?"

Because you are not Hunter Biden and you won't get a pardon. Pay all the taxes you owe. If you feel generous pay a little more so the Federal workers can continue to play "Call of Duty" instead of work.

#33 | Posted by visitor_ at 2025-03-26 10:12 AM

Said differently, they saved taxpayers 500 billion dollars

#34 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-03-26 11:45 AM

"Said differently ... "

Differently as in flat out lying.

DOGE has not shown a single dollar in actual documented savings.

Not one documented fraud charge or prosecution as of this date.

Just a lot criminal negligence and incompetence.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-26 12:19 PM

If you feel generous pay a little more so the Federal workers can continue to play "Call of Duty" instead of work.

#33 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

If you feel generous offer proof of your accusations against federal workers or STFU with your hateful lies.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2025-03-26 12:21 PM

Said differently, they saved taxpayers 500 billion dollars

Said accurately, DOGE is allowing taxpayers to steal 500 billion dollars, because IRS can't stop taxpayers from stealing 500 billion dollars after DOGE cut their staff.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-26 12:22 PM

"Federal workers can continue to play "Call of Duty" instead of work."

I assume this is a reference to Elon Musk's gaming PC on his Government Desk at his DOGE Government Office.

Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) office desk prominently features a high-end gaming setup, including a $1,799 Samsung G9 curved gaming monitor.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-26 02:46 PM

Actually it's the IRS that's stealing dollars and it's always been that way

#39 | Posted by THEBULL at 2025-03-26 03:26 PM

Oops ... .my bad
Sincerely, Elonnie!

#40 | Posted by danni at 2025-03-26 03:32 PM

Actually it's the IRS that's stealing dollars and it's always been that way

#39 | Posted by THEBULL

Its the rich that are cheating the nation out of billions in taxes and the republicans don't want the IRS to be able to catch them because you're a bunch of morons who would rather go broke than have rich people pay their share.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2025-03-26 04:49 PM

Why doesn't every company just fire 20% of the workers then?
Explain.
#22 | Posted by snoofy

Twitter did, and you complained.

#42 | Posted by oneironaut at 2025-03-27 12:32 PM

twitter fired way more than 20% you prevaricating pos.

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-27 12:37 PM

Why doesn't every company just fire 20% of the workers then?

That only works if you fire the right 20%. Frequently the useless ones are doing the firing.

#44 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-03-27 12:38 PM

"Actually it's the IRS that's stealing dollars and it's always been that way"

Wesley Snipes, welcome to the Drudge Retort!

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-03-27 12:40 PM

elon musk fired 80% of twitter.

#46 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2025-03-27 12:41 PM

"Actually it's the IRS that's stealing dollars and it's always been that way"

Tell me you've never interacted with the IRS, without using those specific words.

Which "news" outlet(s) lied to you?

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-03-27 12:43 PM

"elon musk fired 80% of twitter."

Which is 20%, according to Republican Math.

Remember the formula: 1 + 1 = Whatever my talking points require.

In this case, 8 out of 10 is 20%. Get it?

Me, neither.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2025-03-27 12:45 PM

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