STFU TRAITOR! I was in the Airborne and almost all my buddies were leftists in their politics and would be ashamed to be pawns in this orange pig's political stunts.

#20 | Posted by Wildman62

Yeah?

Where are all of the military personnel refusing the blatantly illegal orders to murder Venezuelans?

NOPE, military "HONOR" won't save us.

That's why they spend so much time having them obey orders in the first place.
Snoofy, what type of units did you serve in to make that statement with such certainty?
Depending on the unit we would meet annually for a couple of hours as BTN or Brigade staff to discuss what constitutes lawful/unlawful orders.
When I was with an aviation brigade it was twice a year. At least in the N.G. it was a topic we took seriously.

#5 | Posted by mattm a

What is the lawful basis for the order to fire munitions at a Venezuelan speed boat?

Why are no Generals, Admirals, captains, XO's, midshipmen, petty officers, chief petty officers, ordinary seamen refusing orders to murder Venezuelans?

What BS nonsense. Who knows what those sailors were briefed on before they were ordered to blow up those boats. Quite a bit different than being deployed to US cities where they will face the truth of their actions in public with the public yelling in their faces. You do not know if they were Venezuelans or whom they were at all for that matter. You just saw some video and yet here you are acting like you were sitting in a boat ten feet away from them when they got whacked. Should the US military be blowing up boats out in the ocean? No. Should you believe anything coming from this administration? No.

#24 | Posted by Wildman62

Lots of obfuscation there.

Facts are facts

The Navy works under Rules of Engagement.

There is ZERO legal justification for blowing up a speed boat off the shores of Venezuela a thousand miles from America

None, nada, zilch.

Even assuming they were drug smugglers, drug smuggling is not a capital offense

And NO ONE up or down the chain of command has taken the OBVIOUS measure of saying NO I WILL NOT COMMIT MURDER

These officers and men should realize murder does not have a statute of limitations and ------- will not be in office for ever

Probably not likely but definitely possible that some future administration will want to hold these people accountable.

Could be sooner if, say, some photos emerge of blown up children floating the water, cause, you realize, that that is the logical response to what America is doing, right? Human shields I think is the term.

Oh and BTW, the NYTimes reported that in the first attack, the boat had turned around and was heading back to Venezuela before it was attacked MULTIPLE times by the US

So, logically, our sailors were strafing a derelict boat occupied by essentially unarmed individuals and certainly they were certainly shipwrecked.

that is a war crime and very close to what we prosecuted nazi submariners for.