"only a mandatory recount of all ballots will verify the outcome"

You say mailing ballots isn't secure.

How does recounting them after they're mailed secure them?

praying people are too scared of being mean to explain them
#29 | Posted by BillJohnson

But you can't explain it. And it's not because I'm mean.
It's because you can't explain it.
Not to mean old intimidating Snoofy, not to Danforth, not to anyone.

I'm going to keep asking you for evidence that mail in ballots aren't secure.
You've going to keep not having any.
You're going to keep thinking your emotions count as evidence.

Until you have evidence, you're selling snake oil.
It's just this one move, over and over and over.

"you can't make mail-in ballots as secure as ballots counted on the spot"

How can I address such nonsense?
When mail-in ballots get counted, that room is where mail-in ballots are counted on the spot.

"especially before these systems have been tested by genuinely close elections that require mandatory recounts that verify accuracy and validity."

You still haven't explained how re-counting ballots that showed up in the mail changes the outcome of the election.
If the ballots were tampered with, by the time you're recounting them, it's too late.

Nobody is saying there shouldn't be recounts in close elections.
Everybody knows there have been elections, that went to recount, where plenty of the ballots were mailed in.

What kind of test can you devise that would demonstrate the safety and security of voting by mail?
Because until you can say what standard it's failing to meet, you don't have a real complaint that deserves to be addressed.

Nothing I write makes any sense to you.
I'm not about to reexplain it.
#35 | Posted by BillJohnson

You can't explain it to begin with.
It only makes sense to you as a "gut feeling."
Something you can only explain with analogies.
Never with real examples from real elations.

It's not a thing you can point at data and say "look, people with more education tend to vote a certain way" or "people with a certain skin color tend to vote a certain way.

You can't explain it to yourself, let alone us.

"Drop boxes are the least of the problems I'm concerned with."

Then list the other things.
Actual election things.

I'm pretty good at explaining things simply.
#42 | Posted by BillJohnson

Not this thing.

"If I had you as a student I'd think you're belligerent and dense."

Funny,that's how you come off not being able articulate something you're so confident of.

Especially a thing you don't even have examples of it ever happening!

If you werey professor, I'd call you a kook.

Think about this:
Ballots aren't carried by aircraft.
Also, you don't think they think of things like that?

Come on, man.
This is just a hangup you have, because you consume too much right wing propaganda.
That's how crazy reels you in. They keep running crazy idea after crazy idea past you, until you take the bait.

You took the bait.
You think it was your idea to take the bait.
You don't understand that you are being groomed.

"It's the systemic risk created when elections depend on mass pre-election ballot distribution"

Every election depends on that.

"Why would mail-in ballots even be on a plane?"

Ballots on a MOTHER ------ plane.
And there ain't a god damn thing you can do about it.
--Samuel L BillJohnson

"thousands of uncounted ballots in a plane crash"

When have there ever been thousands of uncounted ballots on a plane?
Why have there ever been thousands of uncounted ballots on a plane?

"Ballots must be treated with the same degree of accuracy as cash."

So there's never been cash... on an airplane?

"Until states that run universal mail-in ballots are forced to do closer analysis from a recount that includes accuracy and validity, all you've got is opinions."

And what is it that you think you have, until that happens?

Hey BillJohnson,

Oregon votes entirely by mail, right?
I'll make this really easy for you: The thing you say has to happen, it has already happened.

Automatic election recounts in Oregon are triggered when the margin between the apparent winning candidate and the next candidate is 0.2% or less of the total votes cast for both candidates, or in the case of a tie.
This rule also applies to ballot measures, unless a measure requires 50% voter turnout and that threshold is not met.
All recounts in Oregon must be conducted by hand by a counting board composed of at least two county electors registered with different political parties.

In the May 20, 2025, special district election, more than 25 races across multiple counties were determined to be close enough to trigger automatic recounts.
The following recounts were initiated:

Baker County: West Eagle Valley Water Control District, At-Large position
Clatsop County: Seaside Rural Fire Protection District, Director, Position 2; Arch Cape Domestic Water Supply District, Commissioner, Position 2
Coos County: Bunker Hill Rural Fire Protection District, Position 3; Shelley Rd-Crest Acres Water District, Position 3
Crook County: Juniper Canyon Water Control District, Position 4
Deschutes County: Laidlaw Water District, Director, Position 3
Grant County: Grant County Transportation District; John Day Rural Fire District; Monument Cemetery District; Long Creek School District, Position 5
Gilliam County: Rock Creek Water Control District Director Zone 2; Rock Creek Water Control District Zone 3 (recount completed June 11, 2025)
Klamath County: Two director positions in the Modoc Point Sanitary District
Lake County: Christmas Valley Rural Fire Protection District, Director, Position 3; Christmas Valley Park and Recreation District, Director, Position 5
Lane County: Dexter Sanitary District, Director, Position 3; Dexter Sanitary District, Director, Position 5; River Road Water Control, Directors, Positions 1"5; South Lane School District, Director, Position 7
Linn County: Denver-Conner Water Control District, Position 6; Little Muddy Creek Water Control District, Position 3; Little Muddy Creek Water Control District, Position 5
Tillamook County: Ballot Measure 29-183; Nedonna Rural Fire Protection District " Director, Position 4; Beaver Water District " Commissioner, Position 4; Twin Rocks Water District " Commissioner, Position 4; Cloverdale Sanitary District " Director, Position 3 (all recounts completed)
Umatilla County: McKay Dam Fire, Position 5; Milton-Freewater Valley Ambulance District, Position 5 (tied write-in races)
Wasco County: Tygh Valley Rural Fire Protection District, Position 1
In the November 5, 2024, general election, two contests required full automatic recounts: the City of Gladstone, Councilor, Position 3, and the City of Molalla, Councilor (three positions).
These recounts were conducted after certification of the election results.

All recount processes are conducted by hand, with official observers permitted to observe without interfering.
The results of the May 2025 recounts were finalized with no changes reported in some cases, such as in Lane County.

Bourne shell script that calculates the sunrise and sunset times for my location.
#74 | Posted by LampLighter

Maybe your giant blockquotes?

Bulk transportation methods are needed because beaming hasn't been perfected.
#101 | Posted by BillJohnson

If you can't be serious, why should we take you seriously?

"Where I live, a letter sent to someone in my city, is routed out of state and then comes back, possibly by air."

You're just making stuff up now.

"In the event a truck crashed with a load of ballots and caught fire, there would be no practical way to determine which ballots were lost or whose votes disappeared close to election day."

If it's a mail truck, they know what route that truck is assigned to, and therefore know all the pickup locations along that route.

Also, why would there be a mail truck with "a load of ballots."
Mail trucks carry all the mail, not just ballots.
And if it's not a mail truck, then it's not a concern relevant to voting by mail.

Notice the scope creep.
First, it was the ballots can't be sent by plane.
Now, the ballots can't be sent by a truck either

"Many will vote last minute. There would be no time for remediation.

And if you vote last minute and you get hit my a mail truck full of ballots on the way to the pilling place, and end up in the hospital, there would be no time for remediation.

But it would be true that you were only going to the polling place because Republicans want to make it harder to vote from the safety and security of your own home.

It's risk management.
#104 | Posted by BillJohnson

If you believed in democracy, you would understand it's a risk to democracy when we make it harder uo people you vote.
Instead, you want disenfranchisement of people you deem "too lazy to vote."
Because you don't believe in democracy.

"Actually, the last that I knew, unless it's changed, they changed our routing to an out of state sorting center."

So.
Was voting by mail secure before that change?

Part of the reason BillJohnson is always talking about imaginary ballot fraud.
Is to detract and deflect from true Republican election fraud.