What,

"Here in CO, where we have an extremely reliable and trustworthy mail-in ballot system"

That's not a factual claim you can state.

Colorado has used universal mail-in ballots since 2013. Under Colorado law, a mandatory recount of all ballots is required when the margin is 0.5%. In statewide and presidential elections since universal mail-in voting was implemented, that threshold has never been reached, because margins have been well above it. Colorado is a Democrat controlled state.

As a result, Colorado's mail-in voting system has never been tested under a triggered recount.

Audits, procedural checks, and expert assurances may provide confidence, but they are not the same as a full recount conducted required by law. In a genuinely close election, only a mandatory recount of all ballots will verify the outcome, without relying on assumptions or statistical expert opinions.

For that reason, it is inaccurate to claim that Colorado's universal mail-in ballot system has been proven "extremely reliable and trustworthy."

It may be functioning as designed by all appearances, but it has not been validated under the conditions required to demonstrate that claim is a fact.

The same applies to many Democrat controlled states that automatically mail ballots to all homes. Large election result margins mean recount thresholds are rarely reached, leaving claims of system accuracy unproven by their own stress testing.

So again, the claim that wide scale mail-in ballots work smoothly is just made up "facts".

Snoofy,

"How does recounting them after they're mailed secure them?"

If I understand what you're asking, the answer is, "it doesn't".

From the beginning of computer data systems, a popular phrase has been GIGO.

"Garbage In, Garbage Out".

Recounting incomplete or inaccurate data, won't make it more accurate the 2nd time.

For that reason, I support voting systems that scan your ballot on the spot, and not shipping uncounted ballots on trucks and airplanes.

Dan,

"Are you saying Republicans don't complain when their votes are stolen in Blue States???"

Once again, you are attempting to reframe the conversation into something I'm not saying.

At no point did I infer "stolen" or "fraud". That's for another thread.

Go find that one.

One,

"praying people are too scared of being mean to explain them"

No...I'm just assuming people have the ability to understand what I'm saying.

Some are afraid to admit to themselves they are just wrong. They might understand very well what I'm saying and they don't like it because it makes sense.

The reality is mail-in ballots are not secure enough for reliable elections. You may believe they are because the results may not have been stress tested, but you're just kidding yourself if you tell yourself otherwise.

You can't turn a sows ear into a silk purse and you can't make mail-in ballots as secure as ballots counted on the spot, regardless how much you design in checks and balances and hire armies of people to count them.

Elections may boil down to a hand full of votes some particular year.

Lamp,

Interesting you brought up Utah. There are 8 states that use universal mail-in ballots.

Utah is the only Republican controlled state.

Since they put in universal mail-in ballots in 2013, they haven't had a presidential election recount either.

That being said, I'm not focusing on one state or another. My concern is the potential for a nationwide disaster in the future as more states move in this direction, especially before these systems have been tested by genuinely close elections that require mandatory recounts that verify accuracy and validity.

Laura,

Nothing I wrote makes sense to you, does it?

Drop boxes are the least of the problems I'm concerned with.

Snoofy,

Same to you.

Nothing I write makes any sense to you.

I'm not about to reexplain it.

Snoofy,

"let alone us"

Speak for yourself.

It's just you.

I taught college level for years part-time in evenings and some days.

I'm pretty good at explaining things simply.

I had all sorts of sorts of students.

If I had you as a student I'd think you're belligerent and dense.

Thank goodness you're not.

Lamp,

Since you want to discuss Utah, I'd trust their election results before any Democrat controlled state.

Lamp,

Think about this.

What happens if an aircraft carrying hundreds of thousands of uncounted mail-in ballots crashes two weeks before Election Day?

The election cannot be delayed under the Constitution. There's no clear legal way to prove which ballots were lost.

Audits and recounts don't help, because you can't recount ballots that never arrive.

That's the concern. It's not one state or another.

It's the systemic risk created when elections depend on mass pre-election ballot distribution that cannot be paused or repaired in time if something goes wrong.

But you're the eternal optimist and have decided this could never happen.

I see things differently and believe we need to be prepared for worst case scenarios.

Redial,

Where is immaterial.

They took off from there to arrive here to be counted.

They didn't arrive.

What does it matter where they were from?

I'm done. This thread is scrapping the bottom.

Redial,

"If they came from overseas you are never going to stop that process."

Those would likely be absentee ballots. Not much can do about that.

Redial,

I think I explained my concern being more and more states going this route.

You're choosing to not see my point.

Redial,

Scrapping the bottom even worse.

No point in taking anyone's questions serious now.

Just wanting to find exceptions and nitpic instead of seeing my point that is a legitimate question.
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