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Some veterans view National Guard deployments to US cities as unlawful. They argue that soldiers better uphold American values by resisting the controversial orders.

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Some veterans view National Guard deployments to U.S. cities as unlawful and argue soldiers better uphold American values by resisting the orders.

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-- USA TODAY (@usatoday.com) Oct 3, 2025 at 10:01 PM

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I think this is a good idea.

Going to take bravery, though.

Welcome to the Sixties, y'all.

Without any of the fun.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2025-10-05 10:57 AM | Reply

The Troops won't do it. They love Trump.

Disobedience is not nice, Trump won't approve. It's a good way to get in trouble.

The Civil Rights of Strangers are less important than no problems at Work or legal difficulties.

Expecting normal everyday people to be Heroes is not gonna make it.

They rarely are.

Where were the heroes in Germany before the military Defeat?

.....??

After the Defeat everyone claimed to be against Hitler.

Same thing this time.

As long as Trump is on top expect nothing Good,after he's Gone Nobody will admit to liking him at all.

Just like the NAZIS.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2025-10-05 11:53 AM | Reply

C.O. is a hard sell when you have joined the force voluntarily.
Might have more success for refusal of an unlawful order.

#3 | Posted by mattm at 2025-10-05 01:07 PM | Reply

Soldiers are supposed to have a hard time disobeying an illegal order.

That's why they spend so much time having them obey orders in the first place.

Eventually they forget the Constitution or Posse Comitatus ever existed.

And if you're a Boaz, you never really meant it when you swore an oath to uphold the Constitution or Posse Comitatus in the first place.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-05 01:11 PM | Reply

That's why they spend so much time having them obey orders in the first place.

Snoofy, what type of units did you serve in to make that statement with such certainty?
Depending on the unit we would meet annually for a couple of hours as BTN or Brigade staff to discuss what constitutes lawful/unlawful orders.
When I was with an aviation brigade it was twice a year. At least in the N.G. it was a topic we took seriously.

#5 | Posted by mattm at 2025-10-05 03:17 PM | Reply

Ali:

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38 secs

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-05 04:33 PM | Reply

"Snoofy, what type of units did you serve in to make that statement with such certainty?"

I didn't serve in any military unit.

Which military unit were you in when you disobeyed an unlawful order?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-05 04:42 PM | Reply

Hey MattM.

Do you think it was a legal order to blow up that Venezuelan "drug" boat the other day?

Yes or no.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2025-10-05 05:00 PM | Reply

I was in a medical unit. E Co. 434 MSB, 3- I.D. We were ordered to 'carry' a crew served weapon, ie. mounted 60 cal machine gun. That is not allowed, we refused, it was given to a transportation company that was part of our movement order. Medical personnel are only allowed personal arms such as a pistol or M16.
The topic of this thread is the National Guard, I don't believe they were involved in blowing up that boat.

#9 | Posted by mattm at 2025-10-05 08:55 PM | Reply

"If you are willing to be part of an armed force but just don't like this moment, then you don't qualify," Steve Woolford, a GI Rights Hotline worker, told USA TODAY.

"For those people, the military considers that a political objection."

They are objecting to an unlawful political use of the US Military on American soil, so it should be allowed.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2025-10-05 09:16 PM | Reply

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