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Tuesday, February 27, 2024

Sending Western troops to Ukraine "cannot be ruled out," French President Emmanuel Macron said Monday after hosting a conference in Paris where European leaders discussed the prospect.

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The West will fall not by a foreign army, but by our own fear and suspicion.

#1 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-27 10:35 AM | Reply

As in 1938 appeasement of dictators by isolationist Republicans are a real threat to democracies around the world. Macron makes American Republicans look like stupid, shortdighted cowards. Ukraine is willing to do the fighting they just need the ammunition to do it. Are all Republicans unwilling to supply them weapons to fight Putin's thugs? They are murdering POWs and civillians with impunity because Psycho Pitin approves of murder.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2024-02-27 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And, apparently American Republican sychophants like Tucker Carlson does too.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2024-02-27 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Paranoia will destroy ya.

#4 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-27 11:06 AM | Reply

Paranoia will destroy ya.

#4 | POSTED BY LIBS_OF_DR

So will Russian weapons like drones missiles mines and heavy artillery. And poison.

Ask pretty much any Ukrainian.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-27 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The West will fall not by a foreign army, but by our own fear and suspicion.

#1 | POSTED BY LIBS_OF_DR

Yes. We have met the enemy and it's 30-40% of us.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-27 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NATO could be rendered useless if beady-eyes puts a EMP weapon in space-of course Russia would be in that same boat, so when one side starts to lose, it goes nuclear, if those missiles can launch w/o satellites. Pretty bleak future Putin is putting on humanity.

#7 | Posted by Yodagirl at 2024-02-27 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Related...

French troops limited to non-combat role, minister says, after Macron remarks on Ukraine
www.france24.com

... France's foreign minister on Tuesday sought to clarify comments made by President Emmanuel Macron that Paris could send troops to Ukraine for specific needs, but not to fight in the war against Russia. ...

#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-27 12:40 PM | Reply

Of course not.

ChickenHawks don't do combat.

Inciting and facilitating are more their speed.

#9 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-27 01:01 PM | Reply

@#9 ... Inciting and facilitating ...

Nah.

France is cautious because they seem to prefer that Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country not expand beyond its current bounds.

Pres Putin can end his war quite quickly... withdraw the Russian troops and give the land back to Ukraine that was illegally seized.

It is easy for him to end what he started.

See, simple.


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-27 01:28 PM | Reply

If he did what you suggest. The West would see weakness and smell blood.

He would be killed by his own in Russia. And NATO would think of finding ways to attack Russia itself.

If not militarily, then by color revolution or coup.

Putin made a vainglorious and stupid decision to invade.

But it's to late to reverse course, there are too many things making that impossible to implement without causing more damage to Russia than defeat.

So I guess it's more war.

#11 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-27 01:37 PM | Reply

NATO has a massive list of ways to attack Russia. I know one of the gentlemen that plotted the ingress routes for nuclear attacks.

NATO has never really attacked Russia. It's almost like nuclear deterrence is real.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-27 01:38 PM | Reply

@#11 ... If he did what you suggest. ...

He did.

... He would be killed by his own in Russia. ...

What? In Russia, hasn't your current alias noticed what thappens to those who disagree with Pres Putin?

... And NATO would think of finding ways to attack Russia itself. ...

NATO would not start such a significant war.

... Putin made a vainglorious and stupid decision to invade. ...

Odd to see your opinion changing on Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country. But the change sounds quite superficial to me.



#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-27 01:41 PM | Reply

NATO bombed Serbia and partitioned it. NATO destroyed Libya.

If they thought Russia was weak enough they would attack.

Pulling back and saying Sorry wouldn't encourage peace. It would invite aggression. NATO only attacks the weak.

Ask the Serbs.

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-27 01:50 PM | Reply

Russia is just mimicking NATO behavior.

Claiming moral high ground it doesn't possess. Attacking weaker nations.

Using economic weight to force outcomes.

I increasingly see both Russia and the West as Imperialist,and almost mirror images of each other.

It sickening to watch... Humanity itself is the problem.

Israel has shown the Total Moral Failure of US foreign policy.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-27 01:59 PM | Reply

@#14 ... If they thought Russia was weak enough they would attack. ...

Why?

Instead, the West was trying to develop economic ties with Russia, with western companies investing in Russia. That is, building more for a future of cooperation than a future of war.

Pres Putin's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign Ukraine changed that.

NATO (and the EU) became significantly more united and stronger, western companies pulled out of their Russian investments, NATO nearly doubled its border with Russia.

And Pres Putin's one-week war to eliminate Ukraine has entered its third year...


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-27 02:00 PM | Reply

However long it takes they won't quit. They've seen what happens to countries that show weakness. Partition, Coup, Economic Vassalage.

Even if that's Paranoia,it doesn't really matter. The Russians have a history of being invaded from the West. They believe it.

The best solution under the circumstances is to freeze the lines and negotiate a Ukrainian partition.

Ukraine was never a country with it's current historical borders, until 1991.

Kosovo was more a part of Serbia than the Donbass ever was of Ukraine.

NATO had no problem with biting that off by Force. Based on a -------- "duty to protect" that they are currently showing total hypocrisy about in Israel/Palestine.

It's all about your perspective on things and where you're standing.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-27 03:01 PM | Reply

Update...

Nato allies reject Emmanuel Macron idea of troops to Ukraine
www.bbc.com

... Several Nato countries, including the US, Germany and the UK, have ruled out deploying ground troops to Ukraine, after French President Emmanuel Macron said "nothing should be excluded". ...

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-27 03:01 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

Above is a link to a Manly P. Hall presentation concerning public opinion, propaganda, advertising, and the effect on human judgement. It is highly relevant to our situation today. A part that I found enlightening is how, if we allow small matters of opinion to control us in small ways, such as fashion, then we lose our ability to apply judgement in larger matters, as we are conditioned to respond to public attitudes instead of our own judgement.

If one takes the time to listen to even a part of the presentation, they will come away with a better understanding of the difference between fact and collective opinion.
This presentation is a transmission of pure clear light, the type of illumination that precludes the desire for wars in the illuminated mind, and unseats the dark powers that control this world.

#19 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-27 05:32 PM | Reply

I guess it is all in how they frame it - when Hungary, Romania, and Poland invade Western Ukraine to retake their historical lands, it will technically be 'western forces' in Ukraine. I think the bigger news is that even the dimmest of bulbs can now admit that Ukraine is losing (badly) and is facing collapse within the year - the days of writing articles about Russia losing, Russia out of shells, Russia fighting with shovels, etc - all now admitted to be no more than propaganda.

#20 | Posted by Claudio at 2024-02-27 09:06 PM | Reply

315,000 dead russians is not propaganda, your post is.

#21 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2024-02-27 09:11 PM | Reply

from Effeminate Loser above...

"...He would be killed by his own in Russia. And NATO would think of finding ways to attack Russia itself."

Yes. Putin might be killed by his own. He certainly deserves it for killing 400k if his own countrymen in a war that did not need to happen? But that's his own damned fault.

As to NATO invading Russia...what is this Slavic obsession that makes every current and former Russian citizen think that the West wants anything to do with Russia? You have nothing we want or need (that we cannot get through peaceful trade with others). NATO has never invaded other countries that did not 1st start a war. It is a defensive alliance.

The only ones Russia have to fear invading it is your ally China. They ARE land and resource hungry, and Russia has already shown that it is remarkably weak.

Only China's invasion of Russia would force NATO to respond in kind...

#22 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-02-27 09:18 PM | Reply

@#19 ... Above is a link to a Manly P. Hall presentation ...

Really?

Manly P. Hall?

That is what your current alias has got?

Manly P. Hall
en.wikipedia.org

... By 1928, Hall had become sufficiently known and respected as an interpreter and lecturer of many ancient writings. He utilized print and word-of-mouth advertising to solicit public funding to finance his book The Secret Teachings of All Ages (1928), and hired John Augustus Knapp to create full color illustrations, and black and white drawings. The HS Crocker Company of San Francisco agreed to publish his work if he could secure the interest of book designer John Henry Nash, who had worked as a printer for the Vatican.[3]

After The Secret Teachings of All Ages circulated, Hall became increasingly influential on the metaphysical movement sweeping the United States. His book challenged assumptions about society's spiritual roots making readers view their spirituality in new and diverse ways.[3]:52 He subtitled his book to "the proposition that concealed within the emblematic figures, allegories and rituals of the ancients is a secret doctrine concerning the inner mysteries of life, which doctrine has been preserved in toto among a small band of initiated minds."[5]:20

As one writer put it: "The result was a gorgeous, dreamlike book of mysterious symbols, concise essays and colorful renderings of mythical beasts rising out of the sea, and angelic beings with lions' heads presiding over somber initiation rites in torch-lit temples of ancestral civilizations that had mastered latent powers beyond the reach of modern man."[3]:50 ...


This guy???

Wow.


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-27 09:20 PM | Reply

@#20 ... when Hungary, Romania, and Poland invade Western Ukraine to retake their historical lands...

Huh?

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-02-27 09:22 PM | Reply

#22 The Russians have started a war so NATO could invade if they smell weakness?

Russia has been invaded from the West three times in 200 years. Many millions of people were killed.

NATO is Not a defensive alliance. That's pure --------. Ask the Libyan's or the Serbs. Especially the Libyan's.

Why hasn't NATO attacked Israel based on the "Duty to Protect",BS they invoked on Serbia and Libya? Why aren't Palestinians worthy of protection by NATO?

Libyan's were and that was a civil war. Serbs were and that was a collapse of a civil Federation.

The Palestinians have been treated as less human than almost any other group in recent history going back several decades.

All to prop up Israel,the bastard child of the ME. A state created by Fiat without the input of the indigenous inhabitants of the area they Usurped.

By any logical reasoning Israel should be the one bombed and partitioned. The Palestinians are like the Ukrainians, just trying to keep their lands and people intact. Fighting for self determination.

When Hamas attacked Israel they were resisting an ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. They have the right to do that. But apparently the right to resist is only selectively considered to be legitimate.

It's A-Okay for Ukraine to attack civilians in Russia but monstrous evil for Hamas to attack civilians in Israel?br />

You see the problem here?

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-28 09:03 AM | Reply

Ukraine strikes strategic military targets.

HAMAS struck a music festival.

Exactly the same right?

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-02-28 09:41 AM | Reply

NATO could be rendered useless if beady-eyes puts a EMP weapon in space-of course Russia would be in that same boat, so when one side starts to lose, it goes nuclear, if those missiles can launch w/o satellites. Pretty bleak future Putin is putting on humanity.

#7 | Posted by Yodagirl

Russian GLONASS system is not low-orbit, so would not be damaged by a High Altitude Nuclear Detonation.

#27 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-28 10:02 AM | Reply

#23 | Posted by LampLighter

You would have to give it a chance. I listened to some of his talks before knowing his bio, and I could find nothing wrong with the ideas he expressed. You come away feeling better. He was amazing. I finally begin understand the world to come, the world of peace and harmony, the world without fear and suspicion. The world of understanding others instead of hating them. The world illuminated universally, basking in the pure clear light of Lucifer.

#28 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-28 10:11 AM | Reply

Go ahead with your Holy Wars, if you must. It's part of the process.

#29 | Posted by libs_of_dr at 2024-02-28 10:13 AM | Reply

Ukraine sent operatives into Russia to kill individuals. Ukraine targets cities with missiles. The point is Ukraine is encouraged to resist. They are given Billions of dollars of military assistance.

Hamas is a paramilitary group not a nation state.

They are resisting apartheid and ethnic oppression with state sanctioned murders and home demolitions added to the mix. 70 years of illegal collective punishment.

Israel keeps them in an outdoor prison called Gaza. They restrict calories and water. They refuse to permit any unauthorized movement or association.

Even travel for medically necessary treatment is often denied for no given reasons.

This amounts to an ongoing state of illegal and totally unjust Repression.

Hamas acted opportunistically when Israel dropped their guard. They attacked and had far more success than they expected.

Now the Israeli State is embarrassed by their own weakness. So they kill many times over the number of their own slain. They are completely leveling Gaza because they fear a repeat attack if Hamas survives.

This will result in an unknown but catastrophically high number of deaths by starvation and disease as well as direct military action.

Additionally,high Israeli officials including Netanyahu himself are talking openly in Genocidal terms about their intentions. They are openly discussing ethnic cleansing and annexation of Gaza.

These are all war crimes. But Israel isn't being charged with any war crimes.

They are being funded and armed by the same NATO powers that say Russia is committing war crimes in Ukraine.

Why the Double Standard?

Ukraine was oppressing Russians in the Donbass before Russia attacked. They claimed the same "Duty to Protect" that NATO did when they illegally bombed and partitioned Serbia in defiance of the UN.

Why is what NATO does okay, but what Russia does not?

#30 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-28 10:15 AM | Reply

"This will result in an unknown but catastrophically high number of deaths by starvation and disease as well as direct military action."

I heard if you go set yourself on fire it's a good chance they will stop. It's worth a shot bro!

...

Why is what NATO does okay, but what Russia does not?

#30 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You gotta be kidding me.

NATO is not an offensive organization. It is a defensive one.

For one thing NATO does not attack countries and then try and keep them.

For another Putin is the most dangerous man in the world and needs to be stopped or at a bare minimum held in check.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-02-28 01:29 PM | Reply

The US installed a Military Base in Kosovo. Not annexation,but certainly not getting out. Peacekeepers still keep the Serbs down in Kosovo. They can't live freely.

Why isn't Israel getting Bombed and partitioned? There's far more obvious evidence of mass killings. The ongoing starvation and untreated disease are being weaponized in a way that would get Israel bombed if they were any other country in the ME.

Oh,sorry,except Yemen,home of the Houthis,my bad. They are disrupting shipping in solidarity with the Palestinians. So they "deserve" it.

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2024-02-28 02:11 PM | Reply

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