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Tuesday, April 02, 2024

The Xiaomi SU7 made a big splash in China late last week. It's the first-ever car made by a company known worldwide for its consumer electronics.

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Looks better than the Model 3. Going to be pretty janky though to get that price point.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-02 04:25 PM | Reply

An EV that actually looks cool. It's a miracle.

#2 | Posted by Sycophant at 2024-04-03 11:13 AM | Reply

Thought them EVs were not "popular" anymore. Guess that's not exactly true.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-03 11:25 AM | Reply

Probably because nobody said that. It's the plateaued sales that are the issue.

Will the cheap, China built EVs be able to shatter that glass ceiling? Not if Biden/Trump have anything to do with it. Tariffs to prevent the blood bath.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-03 12:25 PM | Reply

"Probably because nobody said that. It's the plateaued sales that are the issue."

Said. Implied. Whatever.

Sales have obviously not "plateaued" in China.

#5 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-03 01:07 PM | Reply

Do not buy this thing.
Buy American or European or Korean or Japanese.

#6 | Posted by Wildman62 at 2024-04-03 01:29 PM | Reply

Sales have obviously not "plateaued" in China.

#5 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-04-03 01:07 PM | FLAG:

Forecasted sales fell to less than 6% growth through 2028. It's certainly not the explosive growth that was previously forecasted.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-03 02:25 PM | Reply

Hence all the major manufacturers greatly scaling down promised investments.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-03 02:27 PM | Reply

priced around 10k Yuan or USD?

they could sell 10Xs that if it
ever hit the European and US markets,
but the auto companies won't allow it,
because they know it would absolutely
destroy those two markets with cars
regularly priced at 30k plus now,
and trucks and SUV's in the 50-100k range.

This is protectionism at its finest.
And rightfully so, unless you want that
many more unemployed roaming America's and
Europe's streets.

Now if China would agree to raise the price
in Europe and America to 20k, they might have
an in...

#9 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-03 03:32 PM | Reply

"The entry-level Standard version of the SU7, which starts at 215,900 yuan ($29,900), as well as the SU7 Pro, which goes for 245,000 yuan ($33,990), may take between 18 and 21 weeks to be delivered."

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-03 04:25 PM | Reply

Hence all the major manufacturers greatly scaling down promised investments.

#8 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

There are lots of reasons for that including demands for bigger range and faster (20 minute or less) charging (Americans just don't have the time for that!) another reason sales have decreased is because the increases initially were so high at approximately an increase of 71% in the beginning and that was just not sustainable. And of course EVs just cost more than gas guzzlers and are just not as cost effective when gas prices are fairly stable.

But car manufacturers obviously don't have to worry about competition from China (as earthmuse points out)

Those cars will never get here at that low price.

Even so Toyota is still sticking to its guns and obviously still making oodles of money on EVs and hybrids.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-03 04:52 PM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-04-03 04:52 PM | FLAG:

I'm actually in this industry, I have to read this crap. You don't have to try to explain a fraction of the reasons why demand collapsed.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-03 04:57 PM | Reply

I have union labor and everything. Whole 9 yards.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-03 04:57 PM | Reply

I have union labor and everything. Whole 9 yards.

#13 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Aren't you special!

Forecasts are only as good as the data that it relies on.

No one has all the data. Obviously since the sales of cars did not meet the "forecast" they missed something.


#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-04-03 05:31 PM | Reply

I'm sure it's no coincidence that the Xiaomi SU7 looks so much like a Tesla.

#15 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2024-04-03 05:58 PM | Reply

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#5 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2024-04-03 01:07 PM
Sales have obviously not "plateaued" in China.

Depends on what you call "plateaued" :
www.youtube.com

www.bloomberg.com - China's Abandoned, Obsolete Electric Cars Are Piling Up in Cities | A subsidy-fueled boom helped build China into an electric-car giant but left weed-infested lots across the nation -------- with unwanted battery-powered vehicles. - BL, August 17, 2023

On the outskirts of the Chinese city of Hangzhou ... a graveyard of sorts: a series of fields where hundreds upon hundreds of electric cars have been abandoned among weeds and garbage.

Similar pools of unwanted battery-powered vehicles have sprouted up in at least half a dozen cities across China,... In Hangzhou, some cars have been left for so long that plants are sprouting from their trunks.

The scenes recall the aftermath of the nation's bike-sharing crash in 2018, when tens of millions of bicycles ended up in rivers, ditches and disused parking lots after the rise and fall of startups backed by big tech such as Ofo and Mobike. ** ...

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** www.theatlantic.com - The Bike-Share Oversupply in China: Huge Piles of Abandoned and Broken Bicycles | March 22, 2018

Last year, bike sharing took off in China, with dozens of bike-share companies quickly flooding city streets with millions of brightly colored rental bicycles. However, the rapid growth vastly outpaced immediate demand and overwhelmed Chinese cities, where infrastructure and regulations were not prepared to handle a sudden flood of millions of shared bicycles. Riders would park bikes anywhere, or just abandon them... Vast piles of impounded, abandoned, and broken bicycles have become a familiar sight in many big cities. ... Bike sharing remains very popular in China, and will likely continue to grow, just probably at a more sustainable rate.

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#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2024-04-03 12:25 PM
Not if Biden/Trump have anything to do with it. Tariffs to prevent the blood bath.

LOL. Two "taboo" words in one pithy sentence! :-)

Of course, the "bloodbath" is just being postponed, kind of like with the frog in a pot boiling slowly.

#9 | Posted by earthmuse at 2024-04-03 03:32 PM
This is protectionism at its finest. And rightfully so, unless you want that many more unemployed roaming America's and Europe's streets.

Yep, that's what "pricing oneself out of the market" really means - happens when the unions and the governments set minimum or "living" wages. And that's just one reason why California has the highest official unemployment rate in the US. Thanks, "populism"!

So... Trump's tariffs and protectionism (and Biden staying silent on the subject and doing nothing to undo them) are officially good now, not "dumb"? No wonder the unions' rank-and-file (whatever is left of them) are for Trump while their leaderships are for Biden.
www.newsweek.com - April 1, 2024

... How that plays out, however, will depend on whether increasingly pro-Trump union members listen to leaders who are loyal to Democrats and President Joe Biden. ... Although Brown and Biden have long been seen as union men, working-class Americans have increasingly been turning to Trump and that has seen the Republican Party soften its stance against organized labor.
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#16 | Posted by CutiePie at 2024-04-04 09:16 PM | Reply

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