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Tuesday, August 13, 2024

"The Labor Department's producer price index showed a monthly increase of 0.1% for July, with an annual rise of 2.2%. Econoday had expected a monthly increase of 0.2% for July, with an annual rise of 2.6%. The core PPI, excluding food and energy, was unchanged on the month, with a 2.4% year-over-year increase. Wall Street had anticipated the core PPI to rise 0.2% on the month, with a year-over-year increase of 3%."

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Fox's take before the numbers were released?

"CPI inflation report will disappoint, US is in recession: Jeff Sica"

Poor Sica. All that not-so-expensive egg on his face.

#1 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 10:40 AM | Reply

Consumer price report out tomorrow.
This is the producer price index.

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 10:41 AM | Reply

"Trickle down sucks"

-DR economists

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 10:55 AM | Reply

Not sure what voodoo economics has to do with this, but yes - the lie of "trickle down" does "suck."

#4 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's not forget Congress blocks all good things attempted by Biden.....so I'm not sure why there is any good news whatsoever.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 11:54 AM | Reply

-the lie of "trickle down" does "suck."

which is it?

Trickle down or the lie of trickle down?

if trickle down sucks then why are you grabbing yourself over news of a strong economy?

I'm not an economist and neither are you....just asking you to be honest about what's important to you.

It's not the economy....it's the politics.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 11:57 AM | Reply

But but it's too "dangerous"!

For republicans.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-13 11:58 AM | Reply

"our country is in the most dangerous position it's ever been in from an economic standpoint"

-According to Dr Dementia

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-13 12:01 PM | Reply

Here's my theory:

Last year introduced a whole slew of new tax credits for Home Energy expenditures. What used to be a $500 lifetime credit limits for stuff like insulation and energy-efficient windows, is now a $1500 PER YEAR possible credit, with additional credits available for larger systems. This caused a lot of my clients to see a better-than-usual refund, and may be a small factor in today's numbers.

I remember being surprised at its impact on returns, and the fact it's TRICKLE UP.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-13 12:05 PM | Reply

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how many taxpayers took advantage of those increased credits on their 2023 returns?

no doubt that's a trickle up move....

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 12:15 PM | Reply

The lie that trickle-down works.
Why the economy is doing well has nothing to do with "trickle down" --------.
Why is it this needs to be explained?

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Why the economy is doing well has nothing to do with "trickle down" --------.

Even though trickle down is firmly in place?

You understand trickle down is always in place as long as taxes on the wealthiest are not high enough, right?

And despite that......the economy has been doing pretty well for quite a spell now.

Did we raise taxes on the rich somehow and didn't know it?

don't think so........so what gives?

Danforth attempted with an anecdotal suggestion. Maybe it's a factor...I don't know really.

If you're so confident it has nothing to do with trickle down then you must know exactly WHY it's doing well.

I'm waiting.......

But I'll bet someone bails you out......

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 01:22 PM | Reply

Where was this firmly established "trickle down" when all hell broke loose?
Did it save us?
Where did all that trickle down money go?

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 01:54 PM | Reply

Hey now. I heard that some people appreciate a good trickle down. Especially if done in an exotic foreign (Russian) hotel by 3-4 hotties.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2024-08-13 01:58 PM | Reply

BTW - "Trickle down" wasn't what drove wages for the lowest end quartile higher than the rate of inflation these past couple of years. "Trickle down" didn't help the middle class for decades. "Trickle down" money was invested in non-job producing assets, causing the market to become detached from capitalization. I'd venture to say a great many of our problems today are directly tied to massive tax cuts for the wealthy. We were able to recover some of that through the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.

Fifty years of "trickle down" failed. Time to bury that ridiculousness. Bush senior even understood that.

"Since the pandemic began, the combined wealth of America's 651 billionaires has jumped by more than $1 trillion, reaching $4 trillion in early December, Americans for Tax Fairness said earlier this month.

Meanwhile, almost 8 million Americans have fallen into poverty since the start of the pandemic through November, according to new data released by the University of Chicago and the University of Notre Dame."

"Trickle down" works for one group and one group only. The wealthy.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 02:06 PM | Reply

This isn't a discussion about the long term effects/consequences of trickle down.

I was simply asking why the economy is doing so well the past few years...since you posted this thread that features that fact.

"almost 8 million Americans have fallen into poverty since the start of the pandemic"

I'm confused....are things good or bad?

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 02:21 PM | Reply

I'm really just ------ with you, Yav.

I'm not disagreeing with you...just asking you to give an explanation for what's happening lately.

When it comes to the economy it's difficult to credit or blame short term cycles.

The economy expands and it contracts.....globally.

If the economy crashes tomorrow I'm not going to blame Biden unless I can point to something specific he did or didn't do that impacted results.

There always a lot of factors at play....all the time.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 02:27 PM | Reply

That's fine. It's good to be challenged on assumptions and to back up what we believe. Or even say we were wrong.
Eight million went into poverty according to the reporting, but then we rebounded years later and with work.
Look at the date on the article, December 17, 2020.

Trickle down didn't prevent that, and trickle down didn't save us. Trickle down didn't get us out of it.
It took other actions which Biden was beat bloody about by Republicans saying it was going to cause massive inflation along with the huge deficits.
It took getting our supply chain operational and fluid.
It took getting greedflation called out and actions taken.
And thanks to the masses, one thing that helped was people shopping smartly and punishing companies by buying wisely or deferring - forcing more pressure on certain corporations.
There was a lot going on to make this soft landing work. Including the mundane and unreported mitigation (culling) of birds (chickens) to stop avian flu.

#18 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"one thing that helped was people shopping smartly and punishing companies by buying wisely"

Perhaps we have different definitions of "shopping smartly".

I see zero evidence people ever do that.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 03:39 PM | Reply

" Perhaps we have different definitions of "shopping smartly". I see zero evidence people ever do that."

That's because the folks around you are too busy buying gold sneakers, Let's Go Brandon! flags, and for investments, Melania NFT's and DJT Stock.

What does your precinct go for Trump ... 90%?

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-13 03:45 PM | Reply

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I don't know. But if you're suggesting it's politics that make for bad managers of money....well, then you just have your fun with it. You're examples are fine examples of such ---------- but it's hardly limited to that.

I see moronic consumers everywhere and I've been seeing it my entire adult life.

Everywhere.

But again...perhaps we have different definitions.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 04:15 PM | Reply

For your perusal, Eberly: apnews.com

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2024-08-13 06:23 PM | Reply

nobody pay attention to the plentiful vacant storefronts.

#23 | Posted by fresno500 at 2024-08-13 07:34 PM | Reply

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Nice to see some evidence of sanity

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2024-08-13 08:59 PM | Reply

" how many taxpayers took advantage of those increased credits on their 2023 returns?"

Of those eligible, I'd estimate 15% took advantage (aka, knew about it and pro-actively bought something), and another 35% who just fell into the credit: happened to buy a door, insulation, or windows. Although that's for homeowners, not all clients.

I'd peg my homeowners at ~45%, since my clientele skews older (like me!)

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-13 11:21 PM | Reply

More important, I spent a lot of time educating clients about this opportunity. The more folks know about this, the more they will take advantage.

I expect big increases in participation in the next few years.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-08-14 12:15 AM | Reply

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