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Saturday, September 21, 2024

People should be making their contingency plans, like, right away': America's leading forecaster on the chances of a Trump win.

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Nate Silver's election model is once again being pored over by millions of anxious voters. The gambler turned statistician talks about the race for White House, the risk-takers redefining our culture, and the probability of God

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Velly interesting... good article, better interview all the way to the end, and more.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-21 05:27 PM | Reply

Nate Silver's Forecast Shows Harris as Favorite for First Time in 3 Weeks

www.newsweek.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-21 08:35 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Nate Silver's Forecast Shows Harris as Favorite for First Time in 3 Weeks ...

Yeah, but there is this...

Who will win the presidency? (November 2016)
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

...
Chance of winning

Hillary Clinton 71.4%

Donald Trump 28.6%
...


Mr Silver's predictions seem to have associated issues.



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 08:47 PM | Reply

Yes... he discusses that near the start of the interview:

"His model gave Clinton a 71% chance of winning " much lower than most others " but when she didn't, well, "the reaction of many people in the political world ... was: Nate Silver is a ------- idiot.'"

From his point of view, they simply didn't understand what he was doing.

In terms of probability, Trump's victory wasn't remotely out of the blue " if there was a roughly one in three chance of a storm, you'd probably put your raincoat on."

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-21 09:27 PM | Reply

"Don't Trust the Election Forecasts" " Must-Read Justin Grimmer electionlawblog.org

I'm a political scientist who develops and applies machine learning methods, like forecasts, to political problems. The truth is we don't have nearly enough data to know whether these models are any good at making presidential prognostications. And the data we do have suggests these models may have real-world negative consequences in terms of driving down turnout.

Statistical models that aggregate polling data and use it to estimate the probability of each candidate winning an election have become extremely popular in recent years. Proponents claim they provide an unbiased projection of what will happen in November and serve as antidotes to the ad hoc predictions of talking-head political pundits. And of course, we all want to know who is going to win.

But the reality is there's far less precision and far more punditry than forecasters admit ...

In our paper, we show that even under best-case scenarios, determining whether one forecast is better calibrated than another can take 28 to 2,588 years. Focusing on accuracy " whether the candidate the model predicted to win actually wins " doesn't lower the needed time either. Even focusing on state-level results doesn't help much, because the results are highly correlated. Again, under best-case settings, determining whether one model is better than another at the state level can take at least 56 years " and in some cases would take more than 4,000 years' worth of elections ... .

#5 | Posted by et_al at 2024-09-21 09:44 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Statistical models that aggregate polling data and use it to estimate the probability of each candidate winning an election have become extremely popular in recent years. Proponents claim they provide an unbiased projection of what will happen in November and serve as antidotes to the ad hoc predictions of talking-head political pundits. And of course, we all want to know who is going to win.

But the reality is there's far less precision and far more punditry than forecasters admit ... ...

Yup.

100% agreement.

That is why I avoid the various sites that do projections, and try to focus on the sites that just report the raw data, with the margin of error included.

To wit...

www.realclearpolling.com

Still a toss-up, i.e., too close to call.


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 10:06 PM | Reply

#6

Which is exactly what Silver says.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-22 11:33 AM | Reply

Nate is wrong more than he is right. If he says Harris is up by 3, you can add 10 to that 3. He still manipulates his polls like the others do.

#8 | Posted by a_monson at 2024-09-22 09:40 PM | Reply

#8 | Posted by a_monson

The article I linked below was interesting. Check it out.

Thomas Miller is a widely respected data scientist from Northwestern University:

Could there be a Kamala Harris landslide in November? The data scientist who correctly called the last election is betting yes

"Miller's view merits close attention for two basic reasons: First, it's based on numbers-crunching that's arguably a lot more scientific than the voter surveys almost always cited to chart the contest's trajectory, and second, he achieved pinpoint accuracy four years ago." - Fortune

"It's gone from a drastic landslide in Trump's direction to a drastic landslide for Harris," said Miller. He said it would now take an equally dramatic shift in Trump's favor for the ex-president to come back into contention. Miller said as things stood now it appeared as if Harris would win big on November 5. - Benzinga

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-22 11:16 PM | Reply

Here's a link for the first paragraph quote in Fortune magazine:

fortune.com

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-22 11:19 PM | Reply

It sounds like Miller is accounting for the Dobbs Effect, which no one else has been able to properly assess.

Young folks will come out in record numbers, and women will privately vote overwhelmingly against Trump and his minions.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2024-09-23 02:20 AM | Reply

Humorous but applicable slogan from the '64 race in the last paragraph from Fortune:

"It's gone from a drastic landslide in Trump's direction to a drastic landslide for Harris," he marvels. The distance is now so great that only another epic swing would bring Trump back into contention, and Miller predicts that right now, it looks like Harris will win big on November 5. As a coda, he recalls a slogan the Johnson campaign used to bash Goldwater: "In Your Guts You Know He's Nuts."

fortune.com

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2024-09-23 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dewey Beats Truman

#13 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-09-23 04:42 PM | Reply

Unpredictaility is thr most predictable element in American elections. I personally think Trump jumped the shark but I am not predicting any outcome.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2024-09-24 02:02 AM | Reply

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