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Saturday, September 21, 2024

People should be making their contingency plans, like, right away': America's leading forecaster on the chances of a Trump win.

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Nate Silver's election model is once again being pored over by millions of anxious voters. The gambler turned statistician talks about the race for White House, the risk-takers redefining our culture, and the probability of God

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Velly interesting... good article, better interview all the way to the end, and more.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-21 05:27 PM | Reply

Nate Silver's Forecast Shows Harris as Favorite for First Time in 3 Weeks

www.newsweek.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-21 08:35 PM | Reply

@#2 ... Nate Silver's Forecast Shows Harris as Favorite for First Time in 3 Weeks ...

Yeah, but there is this...

Who will win the presidency? (November 2016)
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

...
Chance of winning

Hillary Clinton 71.4%

Donald Trump 28.6%
...


Mr Silver's predictions seem to have associated issues.



#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 08:47 PM | Reply

Yes... he discusses that near the start of the interview:

"His model gave Clinton a 71% chance of winning " much lower than most others " but when she didn't, well, "the reaction of many people in the political world ... was: Nate Silver is a ------- idiot.'"

From his point of view, they simply didn't understand what he was doing.

In terms of probability, Trump's victory wasn't remotely out of the blue " if there was a roughly one in three chance of a storm, you'd probably put your raincoat on."

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-21 09:27 PM | Reply

"Don't Trust the Election Forecasts" " Must-Read Justin Grimmer electionlawblog.org

I'm a political scientist who develops and applies machine learning methods, like forecasts, to political problems. The truth is we don't have nearly enough data to know whether these models are any good at making presidential prognostications. And the data we do have suggests these models may have real-world negative consequences in terms of driving down turnout.

Statistical models that aggregate polling data and use it to estimate the probability of each candidate winning an election have become extremely popular in recent years. Proponents claim they provide an unbiased projection of what will happen in November and serve as antidotes to the ad hoc predictions of talking-head political pundits. And of course, we all want to know who is going to win.

But the reality is there's far less precision and far more punditry than forecasters admit ...

In our paper, we show that even under best-case scenarios, determining whether one forecast is better calibrated than another can take 28 to 2,588 years. Focusing on accuracy " whether the candidate the model predicted to win actually wins " doesn't lower the needed time either. Even focusing on state-level results doesn't help much, because the results are highly correlated. Again, under best-case settings, determining whether one model is better than another at the state level can take at least 56 years " and in some cases would take more than 4,000 years' worth of elections ... .

#5 | Posted by et_al at 2024-09-21 09:44 PM | Reply

@#5 ... Statistical models that aggregate polling data and use it to estimate the probability of each candidate winning an election have become extremely popular in recent years. Proponents claim they provide an unbiased projection of what will happen in November and serve as antidotes to the ad hoc predictions of talking-head political pundits. And of course, we all want to know who is going to win.

But the reality is there's far less precision and far more punditry than forecasters admit ... ...

Yup.

100% agreement.

That is why I avoid the various sites that do projections, and try to focus on the sites that just report the raw data, with the margin of error included.

To wit...

www.realclearpolling.com

Still a toss-up, i.e., too close to call.


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-09-21 10:06 PM | Reply

#6

Which is exactly what Silver says.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2024-09-22 11:33 AM | Reply

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