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John Kinsel Sr, who served in the Marines as a Navajo code talker transmitting key messages in unbreakable Navajo code in the Pacific, died peacefully [at 107 years old] in his sleep on Saturday.

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... One of the last Navajo Code Talkers, who helped secure an Allied victory in World War II by sending crucial messages in a code based on the Navajo language, has died.

Tributes from family and both local and military officials poured in for John Kinsel Sr, who died Saturday at the age of 107 and was hailed as a brave and accomplished man.

"On behalf of the entire Navajo Nation, our Navajo veterans and service men and women, First Lady Jasmine Blackwater-Nygren and me, we extend our sincerest condolences and prayers to the family of Mr. Kinsel," Navajo Nation President Buu Nygren said announced on social media.

"Mr. Kinsel was a Marine who bravely and selflessly fought for all of us in the most terrifying circumstances with the greatest responsibility as a Navajo code talker.

He fought alongside his brothers in arms, for the U.S. Marine Corps, for the United States and to protect the Navajo Nation in a time of war," he added. ...



#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 08:37 PM | Reply

Navajo Code Talkers - World War II Fact Sheet
www.history.navy.mil

... Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Peleliu, Iwo Jima: the Navajo code talkers took part in every assault the U.S. Marines conducted in the Pacific from 1942 to 1945. They served in all six Marine divisions, Marine Raider battalions and Marine parachute units, transmitting messages by telephone and radio in their native language a code that the Japanese never broke.

The idea to use Navajo for secure communications came from Philip Johnston, the son of a missionary to the Navajos and one of the few non-Navajos who spoke their language fluently. Johnston, reared on the Navajo reservation, was a World War I veteran who knew of the military's search for a code that would withstand all attempts to decipher it. He also knew that Native American languages notably Choctaw had been used in World War I to encode messages.

Johnston believed Navajo answered the military requirement for an undecipherable code because Navajo is an unwritten language of extreme complexity. Its syntax and tonal qualities, not to mention dialects, make it unintelligible to anyone without extensive exposure and training. It has no alphabet or symbols, and is spoken only on the Navajo lands of the American Southwest. One estimate indicates that less than 30 non-Navajos, none of them Japanese, could understand the language at the outbreak of World War II.

Early in 1942, Johnston met with Major General Clayton B. Vogel, the commanding general of Amphibious Corps, Pacific Fleet, and his staff to convince them of the Navajo language's value as code. Johnston staged tests under simulated combat conditions, demonstrating that Navajos could encode, transmit, and decode a three-line English message in 20 seconds. Machines of the time required 30 minutes to perform the same job. Convinced, Vogel recommended to the Commandant of the Marine Corps that the Marines recruit 200 Navajos.

In May 1942, the first 29 Navajo recruits attended boot camp. Then, at Camp Pendleton, Oceanside, California, this first group created the Navajo code. They developed a dictionary and numerous words for military terms. The dictionary and all code words had to be memorized during training.

Once a Navajo code talker completed his training, he was sent to a Marine unit deployed in the Pacific theater. The code talkers' primary job was to talk, transmitting information on tactics and troop movements, orders and other vital battlefield communications over telephones and radios. They also acted as messengers, and performed general Marine duties.

Praise for their skill, speed and accuracy accrued throughout the war. At Iwo Jima, Major Howard Connor, 5th Marine Division signal officer, declared, "Were it not for the Navajos, the Marines would never have taken Iwo Jima." Connor had six Navajo code talkers working around the clock during the first two days of the battle.

Those six sent and received over 800 messages, all without error. ...



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 08:39 PM | Reply

Posted by LampLighter | Flag: How to not look like a complete moron while posting on the Retort.

#3 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 08:40 PM | Reply

Thank-you, and R.I.P. John Kinsel Sr.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 08:41 PM | Reply

#4 | Posted by LampLighter | Flag: Congrats on learning this.

#5 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 08:46 PM | Reply

Lamp, you tired of that troll, yet?

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 08:47 PM | Reply

@#5

I did not just learn about the Navajo code talkers. I had known of them of years (decades), since high school history lessons.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 09:01 PM | Reply

You hurt his feelings, Lamp. He doesn't give a ---- about the Navajo code talkers.

or any other subject here for that matter.

You scare him.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#8 ... You scare him. ...

You know that ... how?

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 09:13 PM | Reply

#6 | Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: damnant quod non intellegunt

#10 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:15 PM | Reply

9

You try to annoy posters with your pathetic cute little posting style.

And that's stealing Han's pathetic cute little posting style

You're taking his street corner

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#6 | Posted by eberly (top of the bigly newist) | Flag: damnant quod non intellegunt

#12 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:19 PM | Reply

@#11 ... You try to annoy posters with your pathetic cute little posting style. ...

For starters, how does your current alias know what I try to do?

Secondarily, and more of a the question, why the apparent blatant deflection attempt from the topic of this thread?


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 09:28 PM | Reply

#11 Posted by eberly (top of the bigly newist) | Flag: Unintended consequences

#14 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:30 PM | Reply

Posted by LampLighter | Flag: How to not look like a complete moron while posting on the Retort.

#15 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:31 PM | Reply

whoa....are you 2 runts the same poster?

no way....not possible.

nevermind...

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:33 PM | Reply

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: damnant quod non intellegunt

#17 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:35 PM | Reply

-why the apparent blatant deflection attempt from the topic of this thread?

The topic boring. What's to disagree about?

But Hans is going to hound you.

He wanted to be your friend. You rejected him.

HANS doesn't like to be rejected

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:36 PM | Reply

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: Unintended consequences

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:38 PM | Reply

Posted by eberly (brand new!) | Flag: Unintended consequences

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-21 09:38 PM | Reply

This clown has Tourette Syndrome.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#16 .. whoa....are you 2 runts the same poster? ...

No.

But I do notice your alias avoided the questions I asked.



#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 09:43 PM | Reply

What makes you think you're entitled to have your alias's questions addressed to my alias answered?

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:46 PM | Reply

@#22 ... But I do notice your alias avoided the questions I asked. ...

I also notice that there seems to be a lot of effort to disrupt and deflect the topic of this thread.

Why?

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 09:46 PM | Reply

The topic boring. What's to disagree about?

Trump should have given him the medal instead of Rushin Limburger.

Native Americans should be given their land back.

Get Euras back to Eurasia.

My dick is bigger than yours.

Pick a topic.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-21 09:48 PM | Reply

24

Nobody cares you posted it.

YOu and HANS are cut from the same cloth. you take yourselves WAY too seriously and you demand some sort of respect here.

If you 2 dunces can't respect each other....then that should tell you something. It's a huge clue for you.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:53 PM | Reply

-Trump should have given him the medal instead of Rushin Limburger.

fair enough

-Native Americans should be given their land back.

LOL

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2024-10-21 09:54 PM | Reply

Let's start by giving them the Dakotas and Oklahoma.

Thank goodness for the song Oklahoma. Really does help teach you how to spell the state name.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-21 09:58 PM | Reply

@#25 ... Trump should have given him the medal instead of Rushin Limburger. ...

Absolutely.


#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 10:02 PM | Reply

It's was such a fkkk you from Trump.

I really couldn't understand why Trump snubbed him.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2024-10-21 10:04 PM | Reply

@#30 ... I really couldn't understand why Trump snubbed him. ...

Possibly, because John Kinsel Sr. put Country over adulation?


#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2024-10-21 10:38 PM | Reply

Met many surviving Navajo code talkers in the early 1980s. Close to the front, each code talker had a Marine guard for protection. One told me he learned later that if it looked like the code talker might be captured, the Marine had orders to shoot him. The Japanese sussed out that the language used was Native American, specifically Navajo. But they didn't hold any code talkers, so all they got was word jumbles.

#32 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2024-10-22 07:16 AM | Reply

Rest well warrior. You have earned a place in heaven.

"I really couldn't understand why Trump snubbed him."

Because he's wasn't white enough for him. To DonOLD he was just another sucker and loser.

#33 | Posted by Nixon at 2024-10-22 07:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Nobody knows what his last words were.

#34 | Posted by sentinel at 2024-10-23 02:53 AM | Reply

"---- Trump"

#35 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-23 10:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#35 | Posted by LegallyYourDead at 2024-10-23 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag: One for the ages

#36 | Posted by Hans at 2024-10-23 10:12 PM | Reply

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