Abortion IS legal now. In Tim Walz's Minnesota a woman (or man) can get an abortion at ANY point in her term with NO RESTRICTIONS. Three, Six, or Nine months no restrictions. Kamala has said that is what she wants for the rest of the country. Abortion on demand, no restrictions based on term or otherwise. Don't ask how often viable babies are aborted, Tim Walz put rules in place to not track them.

#5 | Posted by visitor_

You do realize that abortions are needed in the 3rd trimester to save the life of the mother or to terminate an otherwise unviable fetus. It amazes me you don't support that.

Should the government track men who take ED drugs?

So, you support MN abortion law, cause abortions are only happening in the 3rd trimester when medically necessary.

Good to know you are on our side.

Abortions aren't happening without the equivalent of a prescription? Have you HEARD of mifepristone and misoprostol?

Have you ever met a woman? Ever met a woman that was pregnant into the 3rd trimester?

Have you ever met a woman who had to terminate a pregnancy in the 3rd trimester and the horror they experienced?

If you had you wouldn't question their motives.

If you had a quantum of empathy.

No woman on the planet goes through 6 months of pregnancy and decides, you know what, I don't want this fetus, get it out of me.

It does not happen.

What happens is tests are done circa 16 weeks that show the fetus to have serious anomalies that will cause the fetus to die, painfully, after birth.
Or
The woman will find that the fetus poses a risk to her life and limb unless an abortion is provided.
Or
The pregnant woman will develop an aggressive cancer and need to start chemo immediately, or die. That chemo would damage the fetus beyond life.

IOW

There are countless reasons that an abortion is needed and NONE of them are, 'oh well, this pregnancy is no longer convenient'

And all that says nothing about trying to find a doctor who would perform an abortion on an otherwise healthy fetus late in pregnancy.

In fact, it is none of your business.

That's all reasonable people want. Reasonable restrictions in the later terms requiring abortions to be medically necessary. What's the objection to banning the thing you claim never happens?

#18 | Posted by visitor_

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

This here is your brain on conservatism.

You oh so magnificent moron.

You ever hear of Roe v Wade?

Look it up, it might interest you.

Visitor is an example of what is wrong with this country.

Proud, stubborn ignorance

I am a firm believer in democracy, but, how does one fix a system that allows stupid people like Visitor to vote. He probably lives in a swing state and his vote counts infinitely more than mine.

Visitor is too ignorant to realize that the same thing applies to abortion, in fact, the majority of abortions occur using, wait for it... prescription drugs.

Seriously, keep arguing, it is amusing.

Exaggeration for effect is another thing you are ignorant about.

I trust you will be voting for abortion protection then. Since that would be in accordance with "Reasonable restrictions in the later terms requiring abortions to be medically necessary. "

or are you one of those people who vote against their own interests?

. The fact that a database exists means the information is being tracked. So thanks again for proving my point.

#35 | Posted by visitor_

Your original point was that abortion's weren't tracked in MN.

Here is YOUR post:

"Don't ask how often viable babies are aborted, Tim Walz put rules in place to not track them.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ "

Most abortions are performed through prescriptions.

Not only are you ignorant, you are also stupid.

It is hilarious how much your ass is being kicked in this thread.

The prescription drug tracking thread is referring to your comment about ED drugs. It would be trivial to determine if a named individual has a prescription. So wipe the egg from your face and try to catch up.

You might want to look up whether late term abortions are performed through prescription drugs.

Tim Walz has made it impossible to gather the statistics on the frequency of occurrence and reason for late term abortions.

#39 | Posted by visitor_

I'll just put this link here for you

From the Minnesota's Dept. of Health's Abortion Tracking system

As an example:

From 1/1/21 through 12/31/21

Of the 10,000 or so abortions performed in MN.
exactly 0 occurred after 30 weeks
exactly 1 occurred from 25 to 30 weeks
exactly 159 occurred from 21 to 24 weeks

a fetus becomes viable between 23 and 24 weeks.

For what it's worth.

at the most 1.5% of abortions occurred after theoretical or even possible viability.

Reasons given for abortion examples

of the 10,000 or so abortions

Physical health at stake 543
Impairment of major bodily function 29
Fetal anomalies 193 (funny how that tracks pretty close to the later term abortions)

that is how it was under rvw you dumfuq

or close enough to not matter as it was a reasonable compromise.

"And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it."

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2024-10-20 01:14 PM

What exactly do you think the "left" is celebrating?

Why does that disgust you?

My guess is your response will have little to do with reality.

" What exactly do you think the "left" is celebrating?"

Slaughtering the unborn.

#62 | Posted by BellRinger

Do you have proof, any proof at all, of the "left" celebrating the slaughtering of the unborn?

These are the people that disgust Jeff:

From jeff's links

"Knowing that I had the autonomy and support to make that decision for my future was pivotal for me and my experience. The clinic staff and my doctor were incredibly warm and kind, making the decision that I already knew was correct for me an incredibly empowering and beautiful experience."

"My decision to have an abortion wasn't a difficult one. It was a necessary one, and it was a beautiful one. For the first time in my life I was able to make a decision for myself, my life, and my future..."

"The son I had envisioned completing my family was diagnosed with full Trisomy 13, and he was incompatible with life.....After searching our hearts and soul, and crying a river of tears, my husband and I decided the most compassionate and loving thing we could do as parents would be to end the pregnancy. Even though I had an abortion, it was an act of love, and my son was still welcomed into the world with loving arms, and he only knew the love, warmth, and security of his mother.

Clearly, the circumstances surrounding my decision were less than pretty, but I have found something beautiful from the ashes. I have become a more compassionate and patient wife, mother, and friend. It empowered me to speak out and advocate for reproductive rights and tell my son's story. Instead of asking, "Why me?" I have found strength in saying, "Why not me?""

" The barriers I experienced in accessing abortion were not moral or emotional"they were financial. As someone who had to beg and borrow to cover my own abortion costs, I feel incredibly grateful and humbled to get to accompany and empower others who are facing similar barriers in their own abortion experiences. Having the privilege of getting others access to practical support, because everyone deserves dignity and care in their reproductive choices, is beautiful."

I can only shake my head at your diseased soul jeff. You are truly a damaged human being.

To reiterate, Jeff is disgusted by a woman who terminated a pregnancy for an unviable fetus. The woman was profoundly touched by the ordeal and made her a better person.

Jeff is disgusted by this person.

I can only ask, what the ---- is wrong with you jeff?

That's what I thought you sociopath.

Terminating a pregnancy of an unviable fetus isn't abortion.

#75 | Posted by BellRinger

Tell that to Samantha Casiano, you sociopathic -------.

Removing a stillborn (miscarriage) or ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion.

To abort a pregnancy is to make a choice to do so.

#77 | Posted by BellRinger

Then how come states deny abortions to unviable fetuses you ------- piece of ----?

Tell that to Amber Thurman you -------.

You're truly a disease jeff. Do us all a favor and do not vote.

Georgia-Amber Thurman
Texas-Samantha Casiano

You do understand what a heatbeat law is, right? You ---- wart.

Well, a rare moment of agreement. What you linked is awful. Never, ever should have happened.

#87 | Posted by BellRinger

Maybe you should start supporting pro-reproductive freedom candidates.

BTW Samantha and others sued Texas to get the state (through the courts) to further define "medical emergency". The court refused, because, they WANT the uncertainty. Because they are evil -------, like you.

See Zurawsky vs Texas

Here are the stories of the plaintiffs in Zurawsky vs Texas

A vote for ------- is a vote for a nationwide ban.

Maybe you could start by stopping using phrases like "And it disgusts me the degree to which some on the left absolutely celebrate it."

Irresponible doctors refused treatment to make a political statement.

#95 | Posted by visitor_ a

The hospital hierarchy, the texas medical ethics boards, the Texas hospital lawyers, the Texas court system and Texas AGs disagree with your ignorant opinion.

But, then again, you already have been proven ignorant and stupid on this very thread.

Kaitlyn Kash, of Austin, pregnant with her second child, discovered after her 13-week ultrasound that her baby had severe skeletal dysplasia"a condition affecting bone and cartilage growth"and the baby was unlikely to survive until birth or would suffocate soon after being born. When Kaitlyn asked what option would ensure the least amount of suffering for her baby, the MFM recommended she seek "a second opinion, but outside Texas." Kaitlyn was able to obtain abortion care after traveling to a clinic in Kansas, where protestors harassed her and other patients. After becoming pregnant a few months later, Kaitlyn miscarried at seven weeks. Her doctor prescribed medication to help her pass the pregnancy, but because the drug is also used for medication abortion, she struggled to find a pharmacy to fill the prescription. After another miscarriage without medical intervention, Kaitlyn became pregnant and gave birth to a daughter in 2023. After the birth, she needed a dilation and curettage (D&C) procedure to remove remaining placental tissue, but the hospital had difficulty locating the equipment and staff for the procedure. While waiting, Kaitlyn's condition deteriorated, and after vomiting, losing blood, and losing consciousness, she was transferred to the ICU, where she was later told she was lucky she hadn't lost her uterus. Kaitlyn still struggles to understand why the hospital had so much trouble providing her with routine postpartum care.

Jesus ------- christ!

Lots of reasons to vote against him but a nationwide ban is something he has not supported.

So, maybe you have 1999 reasons to vote against him instead of 2000 reasons.

#99 | Posted by BellRinger

He has said, unsaid and not said all sorts of things about a nationwide ban

His recent lies are because he is getting his ass kicked on the issue

He, of course, is a liar.

Project 2025 clearly states a nationwide ban will be implemented.

the comstock act doesn't need a new law.

His likely AG or someone who will be high up in his administration will enforce the comstock act-he has said so.

So, no, ------- will implement a nationwide ban.

Project 2025

"Announcing a Campaign to Enforce Criminal Prohibitions in 18 U.S. Code 1461 and 1462 Against Providers and Distributors of Abortion Pills That Use the Mail. Federal law prohibits mailing "[e]very article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing which is advertised or described in a manner calculated to lead another to use or apply it for producing abortion." Following the Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs, there is now no federal prohibition on the enforcement of this statute. The Department of Justice in the next conservative Administration should therefore announce its intent to enforce federal law against providers and distributors of such pills."

The Comstock Act commonly refers to a set of two anti-obscenity laws that are officially codified as 18 U.S.C. 1461 and 1462, with the U.S. Postal Service charged with its enforcement. Notably, Comstock has never been used to prosecute the mailing of abortion-related materials. Even though decades of judicial, congressional, and agency interpretation have reduced Comstock to an unenforceable relic, ultimately, far-right extremists plan to avoid the legislative process entirely and misapply the law to criminalize the mailing of items related to abortion in the mail.

"..."[e]very article, instrument, substance, drug, medicine, or thing..."

Like someone to explain how an abortion can be performed without a "thing".

Hans, you've been trolling on this site for almost 20 years. What a sad waste of your life. Couldn't you be doing something more productive with your time? In other words, be better.

#123 | Posted by visitor_

Visitor, you've been confirmed stupid and ignorant on this very thread. The stupidity is baked in, so there isn't much you can do about that. The ignorance can be addressed through reading. Be better.

Educate yourself

Here's the far more likely hypothetical.

The DoJ will enforce the Comstock Act. Mifepristone will be outlawed.

The case will be litigated to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court will find its banning to be constitutional.

The Comstock Act will be expanded to include bans on Misoprostol, medical equipment used in abortion procedures and pornography.

Jeff will be fine with it.

Eberly is Latin for pedantic