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Wednesday, January 01, 2025

Homicides across the United States are poised to plummet for the third straight year as 2024 winds down, driving the nation's annual murder toll down to levels not seen since before the pandemic, according to preliminary data from cities both large and small.

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Interestingly in the US, 2024 saw progress on gun violence--homicides down 13.1%, mass shootings reduced from 656 to 491--thanks to stricter background checks. Probably not something you'd hear about on Fox News, but with a new administration on the horizon will these gains be sustained?

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The three consecutive years of declining homicides come in the wake of a 30% jump in murders between 2019 and 2020, the largest single-year increase in more than a century.

Another colossal failure by Epstein's demented wingman.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2024-12-31 02:49 PM | Reply

What instance is this of MAGA ideology not aligning with actual reality?

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2024-12-31 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Who ya gonna believe Trump or your lying' eyes?

Well, at least we know the answer to that one.

"I am just a poor boy
Though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises

All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest"

"lie la lie"

- Paul Simon
www.paulsimon.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2024-12-31 04:04 PM | Reply

You won't hear about these stats from the noxious-------------.

#4 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-01 12:32 PM | Reply

You won't hear about these stats from the noxious-------------.

#5 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-01 12:32 PM | Reply

I'm sure Trump can fix this.

Another tax cut for the wealthy and firing thousands of government employees should be a fine start.

Let's throw in the destruction of public education to seal the deal.

#6 | Posted by ClownShack at 2025-01-01 01:23 PM | Reply

It's curious how the-------------'s supporters are avoiding this thread.

#7 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2025-01-01 04:13 PM | Reply

It's always humorous when national politicians take credit for crime trends. Whoever happens to be sitting in the Oval Office at any given time has almost zero impact on homicide rates.

#8 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-01 11:04 PM | Reply

Demographics rule. As we get older, we get less like drunken 20 year olds and we get more like 'need to go to bed at 8 pm' old folks. Don't worry, as my boomer generation dies out, and we will disappear soon, the country will get younger, demographically speaking, and the murder rates will skyrocket again.

#9 | Posted by Hughmass at 2025-01-02 06:21 AM | Reply

Want to support law enforcement? Advocate for greater gun control. And implement the recommendation made by Chris Rock:

"You don't need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. Men, we need to control the bullets, that's right. I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars ... five thousand dollars per bullet ... You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders. Yeah! Every time somebody get shut we'd say, Damn, he must have done something ... ----, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass.' And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five thousand dollars. Man I would blow your ------- head off ... if I could afford it.' I'm gonna get me another job, I'm going to start saving some money, and you're a dead man. You'd better hope I can't get no bullets on layaway.' So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you wouldn't have to go to no doctor to get it taken out. Whoever shot you would take their bullet back, like "I believe you got my property."

#10 | Posted by catdog at 2025-01-02 09:31 AM | Reply

Thanks CATDOG, I enjoyed that one. It really is a joke to believe that gun control will ever make a significant difference in Homicide rates. As if those who perpetrate homicides have any regard for laws whatsoever.

I keep saying we should skip all the fluff and get straight to the point. Just make it illegal to actually kill someone with a gun. Oh wait ... ... ..it already is.

So, many say, we just need stronger background checks annd red flag laws. And to those people I say, I could outfit a small militia with one rock and. Trip to an apartment complex. Guns are everywhere, and there is no way to keep them out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. They do not, will not and have. Ever followed your rules.

#11 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-02 09:09 PM | Reply

gun control will ever make a significant difference in Homicide rates.

The problem is it is way too late.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-02 09:14 PM | Reply

@#11 ... I enjoyed that one. It really is a joke to believe that gun control will ever make a significant difference in Homicide rates. As if those who perpetrate homicides have any regard for laws whatsoever. ...

In some respect, I do agree.

But then there is this ...

... Just make it illegal to actually kill someone with a gun. Oh wait ... ... ..it already is. ...

Yup.

Making it illegal to kill someone does not seem to work,, as you imply.

So, instead of pointing to what does not currently work to reduce gun deaths, maybe comment on what might work?

How can gun-violence be reduced?


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-02 09:20 PM | Reply

@#8 ... It's always humorous when national politicians take credit for crime trends. Whoever happens to be sitting in the Oval Office at any given time has almost zero impact on homicide rates. ...

I do not disagree.

So, why, then, did Pres-elect Trump seem to run on, among other things, being tough on crime?


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-02 09:40 PM | Reply

I'm a bit tired so unable to engage too much but I will throw out a few half baked ideas.

1) Pass (and enforce) laws that require legal gun owners to keep their guns from falling into the wrong hands. This means no leaving guns in vehicles, unlocked cars or other places where they can be easily stolen, and locked up in a manner that savvy teens can't get to them either.. Biometric safes and locking devices are well within the realm of current technology. If my truck can open its door when a touch it, we can certainly find ways to use that to keep guns out of unauthorized hands.

Sure, that means there are still many, many guns out there in the hands of legal gun owners, but that would knock out SO many of the guns used in crimes. I am fully aware that mass shootings often involve legally purchased guns, however, mass shootings are a very small percentage of homicides overall, so that is not my focus here.

2) Decriminalize cannabis nationwide, and contemplate other changes in the way we fight the "war on drugs". The majority of homicides are tied to the illegal drug trade, and/or the culture of violence that springs from it. We need to "cancel" "artists" who glamorize drugs, misogyny and violence, and perpetuate attitudes of hopelessness and victimhood. We need to boost the influence of positive role models who show kids the path to success and empowerment is through education or learning a trade, not becoming a rap star or professional athlete.

3) Face misogyny head on. SO many homicides trace back to a simple problem. A man, who believes he is entitled to the attention (if not outright ownership) of a woman. If said man is rejected by a woman, he seeks revenge on the unjust world by killing said woman, or her family, or a man who looked at her in a bar, or simply random strangers. This is a common thread running between mass shooters , domestic violence killings, bar parking lot massacres, AND even the drug related homicides.

I don't have all the stats in front of me and I'm not going to bicker over numbers. I sat across the table from HUNDREDS of killers, even more victims families, talked with them, and this is what I learned.

#15 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-02 10:15 PM | Reply

"So, why, then, did Pres-elect Trump seem to run on, among other things, being tough on crime?"

Because that is what his base wants to hear. Simple enough?

Crime rates peaked in the late 80's, early 90's, a direct result of the Crack Cocaine epidemic, and they fall as that epidemic waned. Every politician, federal, state and local, since then has tried to take credit for falling crime rates.

#16 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-02 10:26 PM | Reply

@#15 ... I'm a bit tired so unable to engage too much but I will throw out a few half baked ideas. ...

I thank you for hanging in there.

OK, let's discuss ...

You numbered your comments, so I will just show the number here, not the comment.

> 1

Some states already require that.

> 2

I do not disagree.

> 3

Absolutely.

And thank-you for that follow-up comment. Appreciated.



#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-02 10:27 PM | Reply

@#16 ... Because that is what his base wants to hear. Simple enough? ...

Oh, it is simple for me to understand.

But it is a lie that his base seems to have swallowed.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-02 10:29 PM | Reply

Seems George Zimmermann and Kyle Rittenhouse managed to keep their fingers off the trigger.

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2025-01-02 10:42 PM | Reply

#17 I know of no states that prohibit guns from being stored in unattended vehicles. In my experience, that is where a HUGE number of guns used in crimes come from. Auto burglaries. Any kid with a rock can get his hands on a gun in minutes. A group of kids with rocks can get enough guns to arm the whole gang in one apartment complex parking lot inside of an hour.. some of them won't even have to bust a window, because idiots leave cars unlocked with guns in the glove box all the time.

#20 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-02 11:47 PM | Reply

@#20 ... I know of no states that prohibit guns from being stored in unattended vehicles. In my experience, that is where a HUGE number of guns used in crimes come from. ...

For starters, thank-you for hanging in there in spite of being a bit tired.

Appreciated.

Yeah, what you cite seems to be a description of gun owners being careless with their guns.

A friend of mine is a gun enthusiast. One time visiting his house he led me to a spare bedroom where he had many guns on the floor. "Look at those," he said. "Aren't they great?" I asked about the unsecured aspect of those guns, and he said, ~who cares?~ He has children in that house.

So, to your point, I agree that those who own guns need to be quite more responsible regarding that ownership.

But, is that the end-all solution?

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2025-01-03 12:13 AM | Reply

There is no "end all solution". It is the human factors we need to fix. There is (and always will be) a small percentage of people that either actively want to kill other people, or lack the inhibition, compassion or respect for human life that prevents the rest of us from crossing that line.

The murder rate in the US waxes and wanes with various societal factors. It is actually lower now than it was 100 years ago, so maybe we are actually becoming more civilized.

#22 | Posted by Miranda7 at 2025-01-03 03:12 AM | Reply

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